Defederate.
They can have a corporate silo. They can use an open standard. But they cannot do anything good for the fediverse. The best thing for the fediverse is to let them exist as a walled garden (and we can put up the wall).
There are about 10 million users on the free fediverse. That number has grown steadily and sustainably. There are 160 million threads users. They were instantaneously leveraged onto the platform by a billion dollar corporation (possibly in violation of antitrust laws).
If we federate, Threads won’t become a part of the fediverse; threads will become the fediverse.
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True that. I will make a spam not that shall post meta decent
I’m deleting my Lemmy account because it’s just
hey guys have you seen Candlejack he was right
With about a thousand new daily sign ups to mastodon it feels like it is going back to its rapid degrowth that it has been on before the Twitter debacle.
<sigh> I’ll miss my cozy little Lemmy…
The upsides are apparent for the platform, but there’s no denying that change will be inevitable for all of us, whether some instances choose to defederate or not.
What your Lemmy feed looks like is 90% up to you. Subscribe to things that you find interesting and block what you don’t want to see.
I know there’s a ton of skepticism about Meta entering the fediverse — it’s completely understandable,” Cottle says. “I do want to kind of make a plea that I think everyone on the team has really good intentions. We really want to be a good member of the community and give people the ability to experience what the fediverse is.”
Your intentions mean exactly nothing when you’re being paid by Zuckerberg.
It also doesn’t actually matter what you intend, because the problem isn’t just what the platform can do, it’s about Meta being in this space and trying to stake a claim in it. We came here to escape you. Go the fuck away.
Their intentions don’t matter. Meta’s only intention is make line go up. They will either consume or extinguish the fediverse with the rest of the corps. I’ll be leaving lemmy.world the minute thread federates. I’m just gonna be a lazy ass until then.
Right? I don’t care what their intentions are, if they continue to house hate groups, their “intentions” count for exactly nothing
Fuck letting the Zuckin billionaire into this party! Build your own shit communities with your own shitty user base
Ill move to server that has defederated meta completely
You can find servers based on Threads defederation through this site. Since you don’t want anything to do with Threads, I suggest filtering by ‘blocked’ and ‘Fedipact’ I’m not sure what the difference is between the two is though, so I’d appreciate if someone would explain.
I don’t really care about that, but given that defederation with particular instances is a good way to get a feel for what content and instance allows/disallows, it’d be nice to be able to filter instances on https://lemmyverse.net and https://lemmy.fediverse.observer and https://kbin.fediverse.observer by whether an instance is defederated or not with some list of other instances. Like, maybe you want an instance that federates with instances providing pornography (lemmynsfw.com) but not extremist political positions (hexbear.net). Right now, it’s a very manual process to check the federation list on many instances.
theres also https://defed.xyz/
I don’t mind the threads integration much actually.
The idea that they will destroy it by just… Being a bigger instance? Because they can influence development? Isn’t this shit developed by a tanky? A self-proclaimed stalinist? Why the hell would they capitulate to a megacorp? I’m more worried about the actual developers ruining this shit than Meta and Threads.
Even if you aren’t against federating with threads on principle part of the challenge is going to be able to keep up with moderating their entire user base en-masse and being able to afford the cost of federating content from so many users at once.
It’s a burden I doubt a lot of smaller instances can handle.
I mostly agree. The one thing I will say in favour of defederation is hate content. Meta has incredibly lax moderation. People can literally say “this person deserves to be killed”, or even “I would absolutely murder this person if I came across them” and Meta will be like “yeah we understand this may be disappointing to you, but we’re gonna allow that to stay” if you report it.
Yeah I don’t understand the issue.
People want the fediverse to grow, so FB entering it is a good thing no? Otherwise realistically the fediverse will likely stagnate and always just take up a tiny bit of space.
The more people involved the better. Sometimes I feel this group just wants to shoot themselves in the foot.
I DON’T want the fediverse to grow if that growth is full of extremists, hate groups, porn bots, etc.
But the fediverse already has that lol. I’ve had arguments here with extremists many times.
You won’t just magically cure it by stopping FB from federating. Putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes doesn’t make it go away.
But we’re talking our current problem but instead expanded into a community 80 times the size of the fediverse. That’s a little more hate than we’ve got now, no?
So what do you want exactly? Do you want the fediverse to remain small and irrelevant forever? Or do you want it to grow and become the dominant space with more bad actors but more useful actors as well?
Because you can’t have both, and you will always have more extremists and shitty views with larger groups. I for one think the fediverse is a better implementation of the social tech for pack of a better word, and would prefer its implementation over the closed wall implementation of non fediverse applications.
I’d prefer remaining niche, thank you very much.
That’s completely fair. 👍
Meh. Tankies>fascists
You’ll have both though in the fediverse… So it’s pretty irrelevant. Just because you don’t see them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Outside of the odd troll here and there, fascism isn’t a huge problem (at least on lemmy). Exploding heads died in like a week and you haven’t really seen any popular resurgence of far right politics here since. Can’t speak for the rest of the fediverse but lemmy seems to have carved out a semi-comfy niche for itself
I haven’t seen far rights here myself, but it’s a self selecting bias.
I’ve definitely come across more far lefts here than any other platform I’ve used which are equally as bad as far right imo.
I’m always concerned if there is only one strong group representation like that though. I’d rather have no extremists obviously, but if we have one side at least allow the other, otherwise that sort of crap starts seeping elsewhere.
Lemmy already is full of extremists and hate groups. Perhaps you mean you don’t want hate groups you don’t agree with?
Even if this is somehow true (no clue who you federated with, man), we’re talking a community abt 80 times the size of the fediverse whose owner does not care and will not do anything other than dump its worst upon us.
Even if they aren’t planning EEE, they might just be trying to rid of the fediverse by filling it with junk.
There’s not much one can really do about that. You can block their instance or join one that does it for you but that still doesn’t stop them from joining the fediverse or seeing the content here. Being an open platform means that it’s also open for the actors you don’t like.
With hate groups and extremists I was refering to the anti-right-wing, anti-capitalist, pro-socialism/communism, pro-anarchy, anti-AI, anti-facebook/twitter/google etc. sentiment that’s alive an well all over our frontpages here.
anti-facebook/twitter/google
Not extremists, just people who want their data to belong to them.
The issue is that Meta’s intention is to extinguish the fediverse, not to add to it. I can’t believe people are still falling for this tactic.
But honestly, the fediverse is tiny and I find it’s not a suitable replacement for anything at the moment. It does need to have more people joining for it to be a complete replacement.
As to whether Meta will extinguish it or not I don’t know, but at least in the short term it could help. I don’t think it’s reasonable to pre-emptively shoot your foot off because you might get gangrene - I’d rather wait to see it and then decide.
The fediverse just needs time to grow. It’s still a very new thing. Growth will take a long time, but the fediverse needs to be an alternative to corporate social media, not integrated with and dependent on it.
It will be more difficult and damaging to defederate later when Meta starts throwing its weight around, because people will become accustomed to a much larger community. The fact that threads has many more users will give Meta disproportionate power over the fediverse, but unlike other open source/free projects, their only goals are to profit and gain more influence over society.
It’s best to never federate with them, even if that means losing growth opportunities in the short term.
That’s a fair call.
It does run the risk that the fediverse will always be irrelevant and will never see the growth needed to actually be useful for most people.
I’d prefer the risk myself but get that others aren’t.
Fuck Zuckerberg!!
