Sounds like the US population is down to bring out the guillotine. Let’s do this.
Why not! They are trying to kill us with a smile.
Looking like gun violence is the American guillotine.
And yet this country chose to elect a president who has in no uncertain terms said he will dissolve Obamacare which will only give more money and power to the CEOs of shitty healthcare companies.
To be fair, people tried to shoot him too.
But the reason many voted for him, or simply didn’t vote at all was because the traditional poloticians weren’t helping either. Kind of a “banging my head against this wall hasn’t worked, let try this other wall.”
More like “I didn’t bother educating myself on these two walls but when I was growing up in the 80s ‘R’ next to a name meant financial security to my daddy, so now that the economy isn’t great I need to vote R.”
I am sure there were plenty of those, but they always do that. So nothing new there. And I don’t blame them honestly. When both choices suck, why invest a ton of time and energy into researching. The way businesses pass work onto us these days means everyone is short of time and energy.
Ding ding ding!
Yeah, nothing like trying to reign in the oligarchs who are over pricing everything by installing a bunch of oligarchs as your defacto government. That’ll surely fix the problem.
I don’t think the people who crossed over or stayed home expect trump to fix anything. That just wanted to send a message that they were not okay with what the dems were doing. And they didn’t have many options.
You are assigning far too much thought to how people voted this go around. I think it’s more basic than that. I think it’s just straight up apathy. Along with a good bit of confusion that was juiced by one of the richest men on the planet. Who just so happens to own one of the largest social media platforms that has ever existed.
Conspiracy theorists fall into the hole of trying to boil down complicated problems to just one singular factor. But it’s not. It’s very very complicated and there’s a lot of things that need to be done to fix it. My personal hope is that one of those will be that this absolute win by the Republican party and Trump in particular will be the the ax that takes down the Democratic party and allows us to build a new one in its place. But that’s kind of a pipe dream I think. Old dogs die hard. Plus there’s nobody out there who wants to step up and push the Democratic party out of the way. Bernie would be the obvious choice but he doesn’t seem interested in taking leadership role in a brand new party to oust the old one.
Bernie is too old. His time has passed. Some point to AOC. But I’m not feeling it really. Who knows though. Trump sort of came out of nowhere and took over the republican party.
More like “let’s blow myself up together with the wall, that’ll show it!”
If caught, this guy could be convicted of a felony. He has also shot someone on “5th Avenue”. Likely this guy could get elected president and avoid serving any time. There’s precedent.
Obamacare is a pretty huge handout to insurance companies anyway.
I am too young to have experienced what it was like Pre Obamacare. But as I understand it, insurance companies used to be able to drop you if you cost too much. What is the point of their existence then? What is the point of buying insurance if they can just drop you if you cost too much.
The point of their existence is - and has always been - to line their own pockets. Thassit.
It’s only saving graces were the payment assistance and blocking the insurance companies from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions. Though the insurance companies found other ways to deny coverage.
How so. I always thought the things like forcing them to keep children till they’re 26 and not being able to drop people for pre existing conditions were good for consumers.
It also mandated people buy coverage and let them have 20% overhead which is absurdly high. Marketplaces added subsidies for buying insurance, which is ultimately a benefit to the insurance company. It also expanded Medicaid, which pays out tons to insurance companies through HMO plans. It also gave them justification to raise rates, as they now had to cover more things.
Covering kids until 26 is nice, but it’s basically free from the insurance company perspective. Covering pre-existing conditions is a negative, but there’s still room to increase premiums from it. The overall affect of the bill was positive for insurance companies.
It also mandated people buy coverage
Which got dropped fast, which I think is good, myself, for the reason you stated next:
and let them have 20% overhead
Yeah, the only good thing about Trump possibly destroying the ACA is that I may provide the impetus to replace it with something better. I somewhat doubt that, but there’s a chance, especially if we start seeing a lot more hate towards health insurance companies.
No - I’m not letting this logic fester or gain traction. Trump and republicans do not want to replace the ACA. That’s a complete and total fantasy. Democrats took decades to get the ACA enacted, so once it’s gone it’s probably gone for decades. If republicans gave a damn they would’ve helped fix what is wrong with the ACA, but they’d rather full repeal with no plan to replace. Listen to what any of them say or do, they wear it as a badge of honor.
I meant after they destroy it and democrats, or whoever, take back power. Obviously Republicans aren’t going to replace it with anything good.
They had zero actual plan to replace it with anything last time they took it away, they didn’t even really pretend to even have one.
This won’t work if Trump warps our government in order to install himself as president for life.
I absolutely don’t shed a tear for this man, nor his family, honestly. They lived their best life with the money he made off the denials of those who needed help the most. They can all straight up fuck themselves. Same with the media outlets trying to chastise the masses for their corporate overloads finally feeling a bit of the same discomfort and worry that they’ve saddled the rest of us with.
I don’t advocate for violence, but I absolutely don’t feel a thing for this guy or any other billionaire with similar targets bearing down on them. I see nothing, I know nothing, and thanks to their ilk, I feel nothing.
Oh look at Mr Tough Guy over here! Too tough to shed tears of joy, huh Mr Tough Guy! Pathetic!
Why are you so mad? You might need to take a break from online interaction until you calm down. Or not, I’m not your unloving parent!
This was lost completely on light thinkers.
I’m a ghoul because I take delight in seeing this happen and hope these people feel genuinely afraid to leave their mansions.
He was a ghoul because his decisions lead to hundreds of thousands of deaths and a leading cause of homelessness just to see a line go up.
We are not the same.
Hey now, that’s no solution at all.
If they’re too scared to leave their homes, they’ll be harder to assassinate.
Username checks out.
Remember, they’re allowed to have conferences where they LEGALLY casually discuss new and exciting technicalities and legal loopholes they’ve been working on to murder the customers that have responsibly paid them ahead of time to cover treatment for inevitable illness and disease in good faith, because once they’re sick, they’re a liability to their quarterly profit expectations and they need mooaaar.
Oh and since Reagan and especially since citizens United, they’re legally allowed to silence your voice through political bribery of both parties, good distraction though.
We can blow kisses and say thank you for killing us, or we’ll be silenced. Them’s the rules. Suuuper free country we got here. I feel personally very free.
We all were born into the social contract. The nation states of the world assumed a monopoly on violence to provide justice instead of us taking revenge. But when there is no justice, there are only two options: to resign yourself to injustice or to take revenge.
I made a large collection of screenshots from Facebook of people who had their claims denied by United Healthcare today if you want to really see violence.
Horrific!
People who claim to hate violence need to learn about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_violence immediately
That wiki page was a good initial read for me, it’s about to send me down a rabbit hole reading primary sources. Cheers for the link.
TIL about “Adultisim”
Universal healthcare NOW
https://www.newsweek.com/87-democrats-support-medicare-all-though-joe-biden-doesnt-1522833
87% of democrats support single payer but Biden doesnt. Trump doesnt either.
Single payer or a public option would be steps in the right direction.
If they catch him jury selection will be a tough gig for the State.
Dont think they will catch hiim, and if they do won’t be alive. Bet they have kill on site as their orders.
Maybe. Seems he has a few slip ups and they seem to have several leads. I think he’ll end up caught or end up dead. If caught, everyone in that city will need to remember jury nullification.
They could also just find him innocent. For example, if he is charged with premeditated murder, the jury could say they did not think the murder was premeditated and that he is innocent.
They could say that they don’t think the defendant is the person who did the crime and that he is innocent.
You just described jury nullification
I thought jury nullification was a third verdict that is not guilt or innocent.
Jury nullification refers to a jury’s knowing and deliberate rejection of the evidence or refusal to apply the law either because the jury wants to send a message about some social issue that is larger than the case itself, or because the result dictated by law is contrary to the jury’s sense of justice, morality, or fairness.
It’s a bit more complex and broad than that.
Its the jury disagreeing with the law
Jury nullification is exercised by juries finding defendants not guilty
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“We find the defendant innocent”
Or simply, “Oh this is the shooter? No he isn’t.”
Don’t let the selectors know you know about Jury Nullification.
It is good to see the viewpoint of people working in health care. That they were afraid of being attacked over denied claims they have no control over, and that they see someone shot who was actually one of the guilty.
I’m really not in favor of murder but its impossible to honestly argue against the idea that the world is a better place without that arsehole in it. Lets not discount the pain and tyrany that American health care companies inflict on their memebers, who count themselves lucky to have any health care at all. (Except for Kaiser, I love Kaiser).
The problem is that the machine won’t stop. The driver was removed but another is already in their place probably pushing forward the status quo.
I dont think capital punishment is considered murder.
A cold blooded murder
Did people see how Obhma acted when Osama was killed ?
a bad guy who "deserved it " ?
