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    I ain’t no fucking lib. It’s a simple standard of acceptance in society (i.e. gay people get to participate in the same governmental institutions as everyone else).

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          No sense arguing with tankies. Every take I’ve seen from hexbear itt is absolute brainrot, and I can’t wait until we can block entire instances.

          Signed, A gay, married anarchist

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            I’m a queer anarchist and I’ve posted plenty on hexbear, is it possible you only notice the takes that cause you the most instinctive reaction? There is a more diverse array of views there than people on other instances realize I think. And I’ve seen more constructive discussion there than most places on the internet, including lemmy.world and other instances.

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              That’s great, although I’m not sure how well someone who fundamentally opposes statehood can find much meaningful discourse there.

              Look below, and you’ll see tankies accusing me of transphobia and all manner of evil simply because I choose to be married, even though I by no means exclude or invalidate anyone else’s relationship.

              It fucking sucks when people can defend a state for excluding gay people (or any people) from rights that others enjoy. It’s in itself LGBTphobic. Not me – them

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                The only ‘tankies accusing’ anything I saw in the convo were people mentioning that “marriage is a patriarchal institution”, which I don’t see how that is calling you a transphobe even if you disagree. Someone did mention trans people don’t care about marriage because they are being murdered, maybe that is what you are referring to, it really didn’t come off to me like anyone was calling you a transphobe but maybe I’m wrong. I didn’t see anyone say that you couldn’t be married, or that people can’t enjoy having a marriage, to me that is separate from critique of marriage as a patriarchal institution. But yeah, I don’t know why anyone would defend a state for anything. That’s part of why I do feel the need to engage with more ‘state-friendly’ socialists, to figure out what about it seems necessary to them, or if there is some greater flaw with my anti-state belief.

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                  That’s a pretty generous interpretation of someone accusing me of being a typical gay person “pulling up the ladder.” In fact, your just straight up being dishonest here.

                  I think you need to examine your personal motives for associating with people who defend authoritarian genocidal regimes. Maybe you’re privileged enough not to care, but I give a fuck about people. Goodbye

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                    Damn you got really mad at someone for saying that they are interested in why pro-state socialists feel that way and want to learn. Why does someone wanting to learn make you so angry? Maybe because you’re closed minded and refuse to listen and learn in the slightest?

                    Someone with as much obvious privilege as you, who wields it in conversations freely, calling others priviledged for the mere act of engaging with people who think differently than them is quiet rich.

                    ETA: I think you need to maybe think about introspecting instead of lashing out when someone accuses you of being a priviledged white gay westerner “pulling up the ladder”. Because that is a quiet common phenomenon (see men like Pete Buttigieg for example). White gays who aren’t poor saying “ok, we won marriage equality, dont care about the rest of it” is very frequent and you ARE acting like that in this thread.

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            Hexbear has the largest number of trans people than any other instance lmao

            Yet another gay trying to split away from the T rather than trying to understand why so many trans people hold views like this

              • I’m not aware of any queer anarchist critiques that don’t acknowledge that marriage, especially as recognized by the state, is a patriarchal institution, they just go on to elaborate how that can be subverted within queer culture. Do you have any links or recommendations for writings that argue that marriage recognized by the state isn’t a patriarchal institution at all?

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              What the fuck are you talking about, Jesse?

              Edit: I believe trans people should have equity too, and the freedom to enter into whatever type of relationship that they so choose, whatever that may look like. Ironically, it’s you who are trying to invalidate other people’s relationships. I’m doing nothing of the kind.

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      No it isn’t lmao. I care more about housing rates among LGBT people, China and Cuba are high on that list.

      Signed: yet another hexbear trans user. Weird how so many trans people on lemmy are hard left 🤔

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          If that’s the kind of logic that convinces you of things, you should check out all of the other people saying the same thing as me.

          Basically your one job as a leftist when it comes to capitalist propaganda is to not unquestioningly repeat it and guess what you’re doing, lib. And it’s in the realm of orientalism to boot. Not exactly distinguishing yourself.