Funny how those people protesting openly for Palestinians without any problem, the people constantly criticising Israel’s government openly and in the media and the people equally loudly critisising the German government for their one-sided comments in the beginning are somehow telling the story of how they are suppressed and censored. (Funnily enough the other half also criticed them, but for not instantly stopping humanitarian aid to Gaza… so basically it doesn’t matter anymore anyway. The government is wrong by definition, then people look for arguments to justify that statment.)
And yeah, sure. We know that fairy tale about not being allowed to say anything is popular, the other morons on the conservative to right side sing the same song. But it gets really boring after a while. In particular when you complain about not being allowed to speak quite openly in the media.
If you don’t feel home in Germany because the support of Israel after an outright terror attack frustrates you or because you feel censored for not being allowed to openly call for the murder of all jews (or the destruction of Germany to create a new caliphate here - yes that also happened and was a reason for some restrictions on protests), then we did a good job for once. Yes, you are not supposed to feel home here.
The other saner ones can happily join with Germans also constantly criticising Israel. We know that there is no good side in this conflict. And Israel’s goverment has enough right-wing idiots competing with Hamas in insane genocide narratives (that are at best lightly criticised for their comments when such lunatics shouldn’t have a job in government at all) to have earned their fair share of the blame.
Ffs… if you want to honestly criticise anything, then there is enough. Acts from fringe idiots against muslims are happening, just like acts of antisemitism are happening. Most of those are commited by a stupid minority that is fortunately shrinking, but sadly also becoming more radical and visible. I feel for everyone on both sides that is feeling less safe in Germany at the moment (although I really don’t think that this isn’t a German problem - not when I open international news and get similiar reports from elsewhere). That’s something we can’t talk enough about so please address those problems loudly.
But people pretending to (or actually feeling) suppressed because they can’t call for a genocide openly anymore or who alternatively try to innocently criticise Israel’s government while openly associating with those genocidal voices… please leave.
And people seeing a rise in antisemitic and anti-muslim actions rise side-by-side, even acknowledging that it’s coming from the same right-wing idiots (like the one quoted in the article), but then turning around and criticising Germany’s support of Israel’s right to exist as the reason to not feel at home here anymore… get your head checked.
Or stop lying… saying you are not allowed to protest for a free country in a report that actually shows a picture from a recent demonstration, prominently showing “Freedom for Plalestine” and “Stop the occupation terror” banners is either delusional or a bad attempt of gas lighting.
“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
Oh, I get it. They expelled you half a century ago, like you did with them more than a century ago, like they did a few centuries ago, like you did several hundred years before that… and at some point we can also add christian crusaders to the mix for even more “fun”.
So you (and I explicitly mean both sides here, equally infested with hateful morons) chose to fight for the sake of fighting until everyone is dead because you are all too dense to consider another option.
Here, for you. Muslims were the majority since the fifth century. Even if you were to ignore the Ottoman census, the Jews were still a minority. It is the net Muslim population that dropped.
So you (and I explicitly mean both sides here, equally infested with hateful morons) chose to fight for the sake of fighting until everyone is dead because you are all too dense to consider another option.
Typical centrist response. We’ve seen how well the settlers have treated the native Americans, Africans and the Aboriginals.
Translation: "We did the bare fucking minimum about teaching our people that we did a ‘bad thing’. This ‘bad thing’ also happens to be a convenient excuse to hide our war crimes in other parts of the world.
And hey, we can’t trust ourselves from comitting this horrific act again, so we’ll greenlight for the existence of something as barbaric and backward as an ethno-religious state in the 21st century, at the cost of killing and displacing the natives, instead of bringing rehabilitative schemes in our own land.
We’ll also make sure to shove this down the throats of other groups that we have exploited, while also making them feel guilty of our crimes, knowing in full that they had nothing to do with it, and wonder in confusion about why they’re angry at us - oh, are we supposed to apologize to them by not selectively rejecting other parts of the history? Get over it, shit happen! Also, this will no longer be our burden, and hey, we’re the good guys now!"
Yeah, that famous “we don’t talk about and don’t teach history” in Germany with barely mentioning enough to use it as a cover for imaginary war crimes in all these wars Germany is involved in all over the world…
Is there a common guide to your alternative reality or are you pulling this stuff out of your ass as you go?
Yeah, that famous “we don’t talk about and don’t teach history” in Germany with barely mentioning enough to use it as a cover for imaginary war crimes in all these wars Germany is involved in all over the world…
Herero and Namaqua genocide, the Maji Maji Rebellion as well as other undocumented atrocities in Namibia, Cameroon, Tanzania, Togo, Ghana, Burundi and Rwanda. They were all imaginary, right?
Colonial amnesia at it’s finest. Who knows what more will I uncover, once I start bringing Asia? Sook Ching in Singapore, Nanking Massacre and the Boxer Rebellion in China. There’s also Roma and LGBTQ+ persecution in Europe.
Talking about Holocaust is the bare minimum. Respectfully, I’m from one of the many ethnic group in India that had to face cultural and language genocide, thanks to German missionaries.
Funny how those people protesting openly for Palestinians without any problem, the people constantly criticising Israel’s government openly and in the media and the people equally loudly critisising the German government for their one-sided comments in the beginning are somehow telling the story of how they are suppressed and censored. (Funnily enough the other half also criticed them, but for not instantly stopping humanitarian aid to Gaza… so basically it doesn’t matter anymore anyway. The government is wrong by definition, then people look for arguments to justify that statment.)
And yeah, sure. We know that fairy tale about not being allowed to say anything is popular, the other morons on the conservative to right side sing the same song. But it gets really boring after a while. In particular when you complain about not being allowed to speak quite openly in the media.
If you don’t feel home in Germany because the support of Israel after an outright terror attack frustrates you or because you feel censored for not being allowed to openly call for the murder of all jews (or the destruction of Germany to create a new caliphate here - yes that also happened and was a reason for some restrictions on protests), then we did a good job for once. Yes, you are not supposed to feel home here.
The other saner ones can happily join with Germans also constantly criticising Israel. We know that there is no good side in this conflict. And Israel’s goverment has enough right-wing idiots competing with Hamas in insane genocide narratives (that are at best lightly criticised for their comments when such lunatics shouldn’t have a job in government at all) to have earned their fair share of the blame.
Ffs… if you want to honestly criticise anything, then there is enough. Acts from fringe idiots against muslims are happening, just like acts of antisemitism are happening. Most of those are commited by a stupid minority that is fortunately shrinking, but sadly also becoming more radical and visible. I feel for everyone on both sides that is feeling less safe in Germany at the moment (although I really don’t think that this isn’t a German problem - not when I open international news and get similiar reports from elsewhere). That’s something we can’t talk enough about so please address those problems loudly.
But people pretending to (or actually feeling) suppressed because they can’t call for a genocide openly anymore or who alternatively try to innocently criticise Israel’s government while openly associating with those genocidal voices… please leave.
And people seeing a rise in antisemitic and anti-muslim actions rise side-by-side, even acknowledging that it’s coming from the same right-wing idiots (like the one quoted in the article), but then turning around and criticising Germany’s support of Israel’s right to exist as the reason to not feel at home here anymore… get your head checked.
Or stop lying… saying you are not allowed to protest for a free country in a report that actually shows a picture from a recent demonstration, prominently showing “Freedom for Plalestine” and “Stop the occupation terror” banners is either delusional or a bad attempt of gas lighting.
“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?” David Ben-Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.
You are so close to getting why we reject Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_towns_and_villages_depopulated_during_the_1947–1949_Palestine_war
Oh, I get it. They expelled you half a century ago, like you did with them more than a century ago, like they did a few centuries ago, like you did several hundred years before that… and at some point we can also add christian crusaders to the mix for even more “fun”.
So you (and I explicitly mean both sides here, equally infested with hateful morons) chose to fight for the sake of fighting until everyone is dead because you are all too dense to consider another option.
Here, for you. Muslims were the majority since the fifth century. Even if you were to ignore the Ottoman census, the Jews were still a minority. It is the net Muslim population that dropped.
Typical centrist response. We’ve seen how well the settlers have treated the native Americans, Africans and the Aboriginals.
Translation: "We did the bare fucking minimum about teaching our people that we did a ‘bad thing’. This ‘bad thing’ also happens to be a convenient excuse to hide our war crimes in other parts of the world.
And hey, we can’t trust ourselves from comitting this horrific act again, so we’ll greenlight for the existence of something as barbaric and backward as an ethno-religious state in the 21st century, at the cost of killing and displacing the natives, instead of bringing rehabilitative schemes in our own land.
We’ll also make sure to shove this down the throats of other groups that we have exploited, while also making them feel guilty of our crimes, knowing in full that they had nothing to do with it, and wonder in confusion about why they’re angry at us - oh, are we supposed to apologize to them by not selectively rejecting other parts of the history? Get over it, shit happen! Also, this will no longer be our burden, and hey, we’re the good guys now!"
Yeah, that famous “we don’t talk about and don’t teach history” in Germany with barely mentioning enough to use it as a cover for imaginary war crimes in all these wars Germany is involved in all over the world…
Is there a common guide to your alternative reality or are you pulling this stuff out of your ass as you go?
Herero and Namaqua genocide, the Maji Maji Rebellion as well as other undocumented atrocities in Namibia, Cameroon, Tanzania, Togo, Ghana, Burundi and Rwanda. They were all imaginary, right?
Colonial amnesia at it’s finest. Who knows what more will I uncover, once I start bringing Asia? Sook Ching in Singapore, Nanking Massacre and the Boxer Rebellion in China. There’s also Roma and LGBTQ+ persecution in Europe.
Talking about Holocaust is the bare minimum. Respectfully, I’m from one of the many ethnic group in India that had to face cultural and language genocide, thanks to German missionaries.