And you all told me the blue maga border bill that Republicans rejected was 4d chess.

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      You don’t see me treating refugees and immigrants like political pawns.

      Literally fucking over refugees and immigrants under a Trump administration for the sake of your politics. But tell me more about how you’re the Moral Side™

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          Your options are 50% Hitler or 100% Hitler, theres no world where 100% Hitler is going to be less Hitler than 50% Hitler and if you don’t pick you get 100% Hitler by default.

          What are you going to do? What realistic option do you see right now that will lead to less Hiter?

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            What are you going to do? What realistic option do you see right now that will lead to less Hiter?

            Exactly my point! Fuck this system. We have no good choice.

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              Right.

              But not voting for Biden leads to a worse outcome, you see that yes?

              Long term agitate for change because the system is fucked, but short term the best you have is voting for “he’s not Trump”.

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                And then he continues to imprison and deporting innocent people, and whenever I complain about that, a chorus of right-wing liberals like that Pug person silence me by accusing me of supporting Trump? Do you know I have friends and family who’ve been harmed by this? Do you think they care who put them there? Whoever is making that happen is a fascist, and I should be allowed to call them such. I was assured (lied to) that Democrats are the good ones, and that they’re not as cultlike as MAGA. Look at the replies I have. This is not the case.

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                  Do you think more people wont be hurt under Trump?

                  Will those people care that you effectively gave Trump your vote because you didn’t like Biden?

                  There are no good guys in capitalist representative democracy, work with what you have available to you at the time and come up with ways to see the long term change happen.

                  Go find your nearest anarchist group and join them, contribute to small scale local issues and convert people to a better way, change can only come from a million small voices demanding it. But while you’re doing that, you’re also going to have to suck it up and realise fascist Biden is damage mitigation from an even more harmful fascist Trump.

                  And ignore the shitlib comments, there’s nothing to gain from dwelling on their negativity.

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                    What makes you think I’m not involved? Every time I say something, people tell me to do things I’m already doing! I’m on local committees, I meet with my city council rep, I’ve even considered running myself, except my work schedule is too unconventional.

                    Go find your nearest anarchist group and join them

                    I live in South Dakota, but I get the sentiment. Closest thing I have are my husband and my friends on Discord.

                    contribute to small scale local issues and convert people to a better way

                    This is my entire line of work and my personal thing. 100% do this. I can always do better, but again, what leads you to believe I’m not? I am, and I STILL think we should demand more from our president. I thought if we voted for him, that we were allowed to complain about him. Why not? Give me one good reason why I shouldn’t demand of a sitting president that he open the border?

                    you’re also going to have to suck it up and realise fascist Biden is damage mitigation from an even more harmful fascist Trump

                    OK, and if this is the case, then I will, but no one is going to convince me to vote for this colossal waste of human potential by shitting on me every time I get upset by one of the many horrible and atrocious acts he commits. If we’re not going to work together to demand more of him, then why even vote at all? Things just keep getting worse, no matter who is president. Sure, they throw a few bleached bones to certain groups of people every now and then to maintain some popularity, but they keep doing horrible, horrible things to other groups of people, such as Palestinians, Latin-American immigrants, and even our own poor and homeless. I’m thankful I was able to marry my husband, but that doesn’t make it ok to do what he is doing.

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          You can feel that way. But too fucking bad. Your choice is Hitler or Less Bad Hitler. Welcome to party-fucking-politics. Or as we should be saying, 4th grade civics.

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          Thanks, I now have a very easy thread to refer to when someone says “WELL I’VE NEVER SEEN ANYONE SAY BIDEN AND TRUMP WERE THE SAME WHEN CRITICIZING THEM”