• Tolstoshev@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    It was ever thus:

    A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.

    Winston Churchill

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      4 months ago

      lol it’s “boots,” but I like pants better. Makes the truth seem so much cooler ‘cause it was fuuuuuuuuuckin

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        4 months ago

        See, even quotes with errors in them get upvoted before someone can come along and correct them :)

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          4 months ago

          Ah, so one of those clever case-in-point lemmy comments. Very clever. Your plan was masterful

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            4 months ago

            Nah, even my retcon explanation is a lie. I copied the quote from some famous quote website and didn’t catch the error.

  • anticurrent@sh.itjust.works
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    the cat is out of the bag. every nation and company is racing to invent the most advanced AI ever. and we are entering times when negative impact of AI outweighs the positive use of it.

    I am really feeling uneasy about the uncertain times ahead of us.

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    The article opens:

    When I first started colorizing photos back in 2015, some of the reactions I got were, well, pretty intense. I remember people sending me these long, passionate emails, accusing me of falsifying and manipulating history.

    So this is hardly an AI-specific issue. It’s always been something to be on guard for. As others in this thread have pointed out, Stalin was airbrushing out political rivals from photos back in the 30s. Heck damnatio memoriae goes back as far as history itself does. Ancient Pharoahs would have the names of their predecessors chiseled off of monuments so they could “claim” them as their own work.

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      I mean, the ability to churn out maybe amounts of these fake photos with no effort on the part of the user, causing them to pollute real Internet searches (also now “augmented” by MLB themselves) is definitely AI specific.

      Also, colorizing photos is not the same thing as making fake ones.

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    The past we know is a carefully crafted and curated story and not at all accurate as it is. It is valuable to learn and understand but also be skeptical. I don’t really think wide spread forgery changes that. Historiography is a very important field.

    Any serious historical research will have to verify the physical copies exist or existed in a documented way to be admitted as evidence. This is called chain of custody and is already required.

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      That’s for historians and professional researchers. It may not sway the field at large, but it’s still a huge risk to public opinion. I shudder to think of the propaganda implications for rewriting history in a near indistinguishable way.

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        Public opinion can be swayed with a TV advertisement by a game show host and real estate developer. We are all so insanely propagandized now it can’t be more so.

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    And trust me, these generated images are getting scarily good.

    I have to agree, I would not be able to spot a single one of them as fake. They look really convincingly authentic IMO.

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      Stalin famously ordered people he had killed erased from photos.

      Imagine what current and future autocratic regimes will be able to achieve when they want to rewrite their histories.

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    From the article…

    The real danger lies in those images that are crafted with the explicit intention of deceiving people — the ones that are so convincingly realistic that they could easily pass for authentic historical photographs.

    Fundamentally/meta level, the issue is one of is; are people allowed to deceive other people by using AI to do so?

    Should all realistic AI generated things be labeled as such?

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      There’s no realistic way to enforce that. The answer is to go the other way. We used to have systems in place for accountability of information. We need to bring back institutions for journalism and historians to be trustworthy sources that cite their work and show their research.

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        There’s no realistic way to enforce that.

        You can still mandate through laws that any AI generated product would have to have a label on it, identifying itself as such. We do the same thing today with other products that are manufactured and sold (recycling icons, etc).

        As far as enforcement goes, the public themselves would ultimately (or in addition to) be the enforcers, as the recent British royal family photos scandal suggests.

        But ultimately Humanity has to start considering laws that affects the whole species, ones that don’t just stop at an individual country border.

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          Don’t get me started on the sham that is recycling icons 😂

          I’m all for making regulation that would require media companies to disclose that something is fake if it could be reasonably taken as truth. But that doesn’t solve the problem of anyone with a computer pumping fake images on to the web. What you’re suggesting would require a world government that has chip level access to anything with a CPU.

          As for the public enforcing the truth; that’s what I’m suggesting. Assume anything you see online could be fake. Only trust trustworthy institutions that back up their media with verifiable facts.

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      It’s an opinion piece, they start out with their claim and try to back it up, it’s not a news article, what is the problem?

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    AI is creating fake XY, and that is problems, problems, problems everywhere…

    During the last decades, IT guys and scientists have always dreamed about using AI for good things. But now AI has become so much better at creating fake things than good things :-(

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        Yes but it took a lot of work and the person doing it had spent a long time training. AI has made it very fast and very accessible.

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          You also needed an original to make the fake with Photoshop, with AI you don’t need that so there are no receipts, so to speak, to pull to prove that it’s fake.