• DeadPand@midwest.social
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    7 months ago

    But I thought fascism was only going to happen if Trump is elected? Guess it’s already here, now what do we do??

    • Plastic_Ramses@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      I know!

      let’s not vote and get trump elected so that instead of just being arrested, these people are shipped off to a gulag.

      That will fix everything!

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        7 months ago

        I think you need a literal rebellion to get the change you want. Glad I don’t live there, watching America decay is something else.

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          Can we first try passing electoral reform at the state level and get rid of the spoiler effect inherent with a First past the post voting system?

          How can we steer this car away from the cliff if we are bound and gagged in the back of the cop car?

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            Resist.

            Resist the urge to deviate from the plan.

            Resists the ideologues who only want violence.

            Resist the temptation to sit back and do nothing.

            The forces at work here are a Typhoon. We need to be a rock it smashes up against.

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      7 months ago

      This isn’t fascism. These people will get a slap on the wrist and be sent home in a day or two. Under fascism these people would never be heard from again.

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        7 months ago

        So punishing free speech and protest is not fascist provided that they are “only” in jail for a couple of days? Seriously?

        Obviously cracking down on protests doesn’t mean it’s 1930s Germany but it’s part of the same playbook, surely?

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          I’m certainly not defending the silencing of protest. It’s just that all fascism is authoritarian, but not all authoritarianism is fascist. Fascism has a specific definition and it’s a whole other degree of bad.

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            Fair enough. It is being used more colloquially in this case, you’re right. I retract the accusation of fascism and substitute “an unjust authoritarian crackdown on the right to freedom of speech and expression, undermining the very tenets of democratic society. A national embarrassment.”

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            7 months ago

            would you be able to link to a page that helps describe fascism as you say: that relies on severity of consequence?

            asking because whilst i agree that fascism is specific - and this doesn’t cover it - im not sure that degree of severity is part of the definition and that could be a dangerous precedent to set because the other parts of fascism about control and quashing dissent enable the severe consequences once they are present

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                really appreciate you taking the effort! i see where you’re coming from with the “enemies of the state” part, and think that id agree there

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          It was at a private college campus and the dean suspended all the students protesting and requested to have NYPD come remove them. In other words, the property caretaker was being a dick and had them removed from the premises.

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        This is fascism-lite. Just because people aren’t disappeared doesn’t mean it’s not in the same category. And the only way we can hope to stop from getting to “actual” fascism is by resisting shit like this.

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          Exactly.

          Fascism doesn’t come in detended stages, it’s tiny increments where the state seizes more power and restricts rights gradually until suddenly you notice that people are disappearing and everyones primary emotion is fear

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          I don’t disagree that silencing protest is bad. It’s just not fascism. Fascists kill dissenters.

          Treating protestors like this is the norm (though it always must be fought). It’s how they were treated during Occupy Wall Street. It’s how they were treated during Vietnam and the civil rights fight. Authoritarianism can come from both the left and the right. Fascism is always from the right.

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            Fascists kill dissenters.

            Not in the beginning. In the beginning it’s more about the economic side of fascism. And that has definitely happened in the US. For decades now.