I really want to like lemmy, but it’s difficult. I’m new to all this fediverse thingy, and I might just have old habits and perceptions how things should work but… I keep seeing the same posts more than once, iOS experience is not that good really, sometimes I see dead posts from 2 years ago for some reason, despite having subscribed to like 30 communities there aren’t that many new posts to read.
Part of it probably that subreddits had millions of people so a lot of posts every minute, but it still feels underwhelming.
It’s not as doomscrolly. Maybe I should find something else to waste my time on haha
What is your experience with lemmy? Maybe I just do things wrong. Let me know
i mean so far, I’m enjoying it. sure, the community isn’t as large, but that’s mostly a good thing. on reddit, if i made a post, it would be like a 25% chance to get hundreds of comments, and a 75% chance to get none. here, I’ve gotten a few, high quality responses on every question post I’ve made. i do miss the “auto hide read posts” feature, but maybe that’ll get added some day
You can hide read posts here! In the web app settings for your profile:
Is there a way to stop the endless loading of posts on the website? Because every time I try to click a post, it moves down because a new post loaded, and this happens every ten seconds, constantly.
It’s a bug that wasnt an issue when the community was smaller. Last I heard they will replace it with a refresh icon that pops up at the top when new posts are available.
Oh thank God is a bug, I really thought it was a feature of the site.
Thank jeebus. I was getting all fussy thinking it was a me/my phone/my browser problem.
It’s amazing what kinda bugs can be exposed in your system when your user base expands by orders of magnitude overnight
Do you remember where you heard it? I have been looking around for info about this feature
Here’s the comment (and link to) where I learned about the GitHub issue
I’ve heard that one is just a bug. Hopefully they’re working on it. Mlem (the iOS app) seems to have it handled, but it does crash a lot, and it’s frustrating to lose your scroll progress. I think we just have to wait it out in these early days 😵💫
I also don’t seem to have that problem with Jerboa.
I believe it’s specifically an issue with the web client. The apps don’t seem to have that problem.
i AFKd with this open and it just kept loading more posts, my computer was grinding to a halt until i killed firefox.
This is incredibly helpful! Thank you so much!
Incredible
What is considered “read”? Something you scroll past or a post that you open?
Ok, I just tested it out. It’s any post that you upvote, downvote, or open the comments for. Expanding an image is not enough.
Edit: Seems like opening a post’s comments in Mlem (iOS app) doesn’t seem to flag something as “read”. But open a post in the web app and it disappears from both on next reload. Up/downvoting work on both.
Edit 2: If you upvote a post and then remove your upvote, that seems to count as “read” as well. In case you’re like me and can’t commit to an upvote or downvote for every post 😅
Fediverse currently reminds me of Reddit from 10 years ago in frequency of content. There is something nice about not being in the rat race, less toxicity.
yeah it’s nice knowing that someone is gonna see my comment instead of it getting lost amongst hundreds. feels a lot more like a community that way
It’s amazing how many Reddit comments just aren’t seen, no wonder so many people end up lurking.
I had 150k+ karma and most of my comments would go unnoticed.
I know I don’t post when I see other 1000 comments, even if it’s my own personal experience and it could help someone, the truth is no one will see it and it will be just pollution
I saw your comment :)
The reality is that there was/is no reddit alternative and right now we’re all in this transitory phase where we’re all looking for a new home. We’ll all just have to wait for the dust to settle. Lemmy isn’t perfect but is improving and additionally other alternatives like kbin and tildes are in the works.
To your larger point, much of what you’re feeling is the abrupt break in habits. I’ve been using the gap to develop more positives ones, and it’s been great.
A thought came to my mind when reading your comment.
Instead of finding a new home, let’s make lemmy our new home. Let’s try to populate lemmy more, get its activity up, and post more than we would’ve on reddit (since we have less users, we would need more posts per user), so it can stand a chance at being a reddit competitor.
This is the sentiment I’ve been rolling with. I normally don’t post often, but since the move I’ve created an instance and posted more than ever.
We have to make what we want. once we have enough content for people to be interested, the users and community will come.
Yeah I agree and am working on it in terms of engagement. Usability is going to be key for whichever platform eventually takes over. It could absolutely be Lemmy, but I’m watching for other possibilities as well.
Yes, make homes! we need so much more hardware, while personal instances may not be a good idea, we are so short on compute that if you are inclined run your own instance, bring your friends!
The experience on smaller faster instances is already comparable, the content flow, really not bad either though it takes about an hour of finding and subbing to the communities you want and a day for your instance to really start grabbing the content for you.
Can you point out an explanation for how this works? Like, if I run my own “instance” of Lemmy in a Docker container, what all is it doing if I and a few friends subscribe to communities on other instances (eg BeeHaw, lemmy.ml, etc). Is my little instance mirroring all of that data constantly? Just when one of us requests it? I need to know what I’m getting myself into basically.
I think you might find that answer through lemmy’s github and using their guides which I’ll send it here in case anyone else is interested.
It seems like we are struggling with a large cohort that does not remember the systems as they grew, expecting the only valid replacement to only be a system as large.
Thats not how it works, it is how you can get owned by a centralized party.
I’ve been told my handle should work on all the lemmys but so far it only works on lemmy.one. I tried logging in with this at lemmy.world and beehaw and it didn’t work. I tried creating a new login on both of those and it also didn’t work. I want to like it but I’m confused and frustrated. I’ll give it some time and see where the dust settles as you said. Call me old fashioned though but I just don’t think shitposting on a forum should be so damn complicated.
You should never have to go to the actual websites for the other instances. Just like email, you wouldn’t expect to be able to use your Gmail account to log into Yahoo, right? Use lemmy.one as your homepage and browse everything from there. From there, you can use the Communities section to search/browse communities hosted on any instance, including Beehaw and lemmy.world.
Can you tell me how to make a new comment? So far, it’s just allowing me to reply to others but no option to make one new…
There’s a speech bubble icon on the bottom of the post for me, using the jerboa app for android :)
Agree that it shouldn’t be so complicated. I see that as a major flaw of the platform that will curtail adoption, but who knows, maybe one will win out over the others?
In any case, my understanding is that you can’t log into the other instances with your username from lemmy.one, but you can read posts and interact with communities on different lemmy sites. For instance, I’m commenting from lemmy.world on a post you made using lemmy.one at a community hosted on lemmy.ml, but we can both read each other’s comments, and so can people that signed up on other instances like beehaw.org.
Im talking to you from a lemmy.world account right now. Whatever instance you chose to create your account with is the website you need to go to each time you login. From there, you will still have access to search comment etc with any other community through your current instance.
Your handle does work for all of the various Lemmy servers. But to access them it’s like your email, you wouldn’t log in to your Gmail account from Yahoo. Yahoo has no idea what your Gmail username and password is. So how can it let you in? And like email because both servers speak the same protocol you can interact with other users on other servers just like if you had their email address.
In your case lemmy.one is your email server so to speak. You can access any other Lemmy community or set of communities on another lemmy server by searching directly for their address on your home server or if someone else has interacted with another server already that server’s communities will show up in your home server’s All list and you can see those posts there and interact with them as if they were local to your home server.
Your handle won’t let you login on other instances but you can follow communities on other instances from the instance you signed up for.
That surprised me a bit when I first used Mastodon. “Wait? Why can’t I log in? I just want to follow this person! Oh, right, have to go to my original server and do it from there”. New to Lemmy, but finding and following other communities feels much easier than on Mastodon.
You don’t need to create multiple Lemmy accounts. You can search for and find and join subs from lemmy.world on your Lemmy.one account. it’s not instantly intuitive coming from Reddit, but once you make the connection to the other subs on different instances its established for you
Yeah, I try to share this to help people get it…
GUIDE:
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don’t go to a community on the server that it’s on (e.g.
https://lemmy.ml/c/asklemmy) [NO login] -
do go to a community on the server you’re on (e.g.
https://lemmy.one/c/[email protected]) [YES login!]
everything else works the same using the instance-to-instance federation, but only as long as you use YOUR lemmy instance, NOT the one that the Community lives on.
When linking to a community from within a lemmy post or comment, use this format:
[Winnipeg Jets](/c/winnipegjets@lemmy.world)>>begets>> Winnipeg Jets
(Note: this works really well on the website, but currently my app (Jerboa) crashes for these links. I think this is a bug that will be fixed.)
Thank you, it makes so much more sense to me now.
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It will get better quickly—there are people working around the clock on apps and improvements right now. This isn’t like your normal social media site where they can use seed money and advertising to buy the best infrastructure right off the bat. This is a grassroots effort to make something that can evolve into a unique and independent service.
If we all stick it out with alternative options like this right now, we will be looking at a much freer future for online communication later. If we get annoyed and go crawling back to the capitalist overlords at FB/Twitter/Reddit, then we give them everything they wanted in the first place, and the internet will take one more step towards being a walled garden casino of ideas.
You’re successfully doing it right now, commenting on a post from Lemmy.ml. You don’t need to log in to other instances, like Beehaw, to comment.
The default sorting is by “active” which to me doesn’t show a lot of new content (from the last hours). Switching to hot improves the experience a lot.
Another good sort is “Top Day”. The blackout and subsequent activity here really highlighted an issue in Hot where the most popular communities just endlessly get interaction and stay at the top of Hot/Active. On the other hand, Top Day has been continuously bringing in new posts from all my communities.
The best experience is probably going to be using a combination of the two, swapping if one feels like it’s getting stale.
Hot should be default
It’s not going to replace Reddit overnight. Those communities have to be built here. If people stick around, it will happen.
If I’m spending less time staring at my phone and more time picking up a book or something, all the better for me. I’ve found myself engaging more and doomscrolling less though, so the time feels more well spent even though I’m spending less time then I would have on reddit.
This is my biggest motivation right now. Its been a blessing in disguise as I am concentrating more and less mindlessly browsing reddit, both at work and in personal life.
Honestly man, as much as I 100% agree on the UI difficulties, it’s like a breath of fresh air. There’s good music posted, people posted books and I looked and really wanted to read them. It’s more human. There’s this tiny little handful of content here, but it’s not all same-y and in-joke-y and weird.
I’m not trying to hate on reddit, I still go to reddit for news because of more or less what you’re talking about (the weird sorting in the newsfeed here and the lack of certain content). But what I like about here is that there are nerdy people, there’s real content, there’s not this weird hivemind and endless dopamine content. The great stuff about reddit was always the in-depth storytelling and unique content, to me, not just the gratification aspect of everything working right and new content popping up. I’m happy with Lemmy despite the hiccups because it seems like it’s getting back to that.
I find it exciting. Very reminiscent of the Digg exodus. Sure, it can be a little frustrating at times. But reddit was going downhill for me long before the API stupidity. Lemmy feels like returning home in a way.
The mobile browser version is pretty much unusable for me. I select view All, then organize by either Hot or Active, and what I get is an endless stream of posts, but newly made and from two years ago (so, neither Hot not Active). And the page becomes unresponsive because of the endless stream.
The app works better but kept timing out when trying to upvoted stuff. Just updated to see if that fixes it.
So far, I gotta say squabbles is working better for me as a reddit alternative.
I hope they disable the live-update stuff soon.
It’s coming up in the 0.18 release.
I just jumped on and mobile browser working fine for me. I changed to “new” and it’s all recent stuff. But I do think this is in early stages and more content will be generated as more of us make the transition, and I imagine UI of apps and web will continue to improve too.
The biggest problem I see is fragmentation, people are creating the same community in different instaces, /c/Piracy for example. Lemmy should prevent this, community names should be unique, it should have an index of all the Lemmy Fediverse where instances can lookup if a community exists instead of waiting for a user to import that community to his instance. Something similar to what BTC does with the decentralized ledger.
The biggest problem I see is fragmentation, people are creating the same community in different instaces, /c/Piracy for example.
I agree, to an extent. You’re right in that if you were part of the vibrant community of /r/piracy then it’s miserable to see it shatter here on lemmy. That said, this only applies if you’re expecting lemmy to be a 1 for 1 reddit replacement. For this type of community to remain cohesive, /r/piracy would have had to spin up their own instance and in /r/piracy direct everyone to lemmy.piracyinstance.whatever.
You can’t really “fix” this in a central way because even if you did, it would be trivial to create an instance that would allow duplicate community names. Also, I can see a lot of use cases for lemmy which do not intend to be federated.
That said, it’s not necessarily as big a problem as it appears, if you just accept that this is how the fediverse works. There’s no single source of control, so of course people can create 147 different /c/piracy communities if they wish to. Once you accept that, then it’s not really that difficult to subscribe to all the /c/piracy communities you can find.
The problem itself could be diminished by a few new features which I feel certain will emerge in the future:
- linked communities, where one communities content is syndicated to another. So if you post in [email protected] then you also post in [email protected]. This would work differently to cross-posting, all comments would be reflected on both instances.
- grouped communities, where you can subscribe to a group of /c/selfhosted communities with one click, so you see them all in your feed.
I think that makes a lot of sense. Reddit was also like that, I moderate /r/me_irl, rival of /r/meirl. But now you can also use the same names if you want.
What about usernames though? Are they universal throughout Lemmy?
Usernames are only universal in the same way an email address is. Any instance can have an @citizenpremier but only you can be @[email protected].
I don’t mean to be a douche about it but you’re still thinking about it in a very corporate-social kind of way. For something to be universal it requires a central point of control, which doesn’t exist in the fediverse.
I think what they really need is an autosubscribe, so you can autosubscribe to /c/Piracy on all federated servers. (Then of course be able to block certain instances if they’re horrible)
Having ‘no single source of truth’ is part of the joy.
If you’re not happy with /r/cars moderators banning everyone who drives a Skoda, then you’re out of luck. Here in federation land, you can just go to a different lemmy.something/c/cars place.
Of course you can still follow and interact with all the /c/cars communities from any Lemmy instance (and interact a little from Mastodon).
Part of the issue is that we hardly have enough people to sustain one random community, let alone several semi-independent ones. That barrier alone will turn others away and the cycle of not having enough souls will repeat itself
One of your issues is probably sorting by Active instead of sorting by Hot. A major difference in the experience on Lemmy is the “Active” sort method being the default.
You make it sound like not doomscrolly is a bad thing
People will rarely say they want to endlessly scroll, but given the options, they’ll always choose the option that let’s them consume more content, aka doom scroll.
In my opinion, were in the ‘keep swimming’ fishing boat scene from Nemo.
Reddit wants to stay the ‘homepage of the internet’ but also force everyone to go through their tools for ad bucks.
If we succeed, we can bust our communities out of the centralized net and reform on the other side.
We fail by not working together here today in this moment, we have to use this event to convince the average person to switch now, we might not get another opportunity like this.
I remember HATING Reddit after the great Digg migration. The information was presented in a different way and the discussions seemed to be the focus rather than the linked content. It took a while to get used to it and I’m feeling a bit of the same here. There are a ton of similarities that are already here, so it’s not as jarring and things are improving every day.
I feel like I’m interacting more here than I did on Reddit for a long time. By the time anything showed up on my feed over there, it was 1 day old, had 5000 comments, and had devolved into memes.
Honestly that is the main reason i became a lurker on reddit, why comment? if im on /r/all then anything i could think to comment has already been commented by someone else most of the time if you scroll down enough. It was really only the smaller niche subs that i was able to engage with.
Agreed. I like the progress they’ve made so far, but it’s clear in alpha stage. And I find the mobile website to be pretty good for what it is. A few minor updates will make a big difference.
Mobile is pretty good, but I prefer the Reddit approach of asking over and over if I want a broken app, before showing me a broken mobile page. Maybe in time Lemmy can catch up.
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It’s very new. Very valid concerns, but most of them are growing pains. If people just stick with this for a while it will improve by leaps and bounds.
Personally I’ve focused more on the community aspect than the software for now, since the latter is actively being worked on by a lot of people, so that’s just a waiting game. The community has been fantastic, though. Already a nice feel in a lot of discussions.
