cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/23478086

Common Dreams Staff Dec 10, 2024

[contains transcript (corroborated by NBC) published by Ken Klippenstein]

  • ilmagico@lemmy.world
    383·
    15 days ago

    Please stop posting this unless we have proof that he wrote it himself, a picture of it, or at the very least some kind of new information that the previous 10 posts on the subject didn’t have.

    All these articles eventually trace back to the same one guy that claims to “have the manifesto” source “trust me bro”

    • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
      14·
      15 days ago

      Ken Klippenstein is the bro and he is diligent about the trust me. This is an instance where I think it’s reasonable to “trust me bro”.

      • Rakonat@lemmy.worldEnglish
        111·
        15 days ago

        While I believe Klipperstein has a copy of something, we’ve as of yet have no evidence that Mangione wrote it.

        Hence the ‘Trust me bro’ part. Hand written manifesto saying everything the police want to hear to speedrun the trial from a guy who works in the tech business who would have posted it online if he actually wanted to get caught. Far too many pieces of evidence seemed to have fallen into the lap of the police after literal days of not even being sure if he was still in NYC or not.

        If he was the shooter, which I won’t rule out at this phase, and didn’t want to get caught, why would he keep the gun, manifesto and fake IDs on his person, especially when just going out to lunch? If he did want to get caught… why would he leave NYC? He could have turned himself in any police station or tried to start a rally till someone with cuffs took him into custody. Why would he abandon the bag in Central Park and not leave the manifesto there?

        • kandoh@reddthat.com
          2·
          15 days ago

          Unless this was forged by the NYPD to frame random hot guy from a very wealthy and connected conservative family who happened to have chronic back pain and a huge social media footprint - this is verified to be the real manifesto.

          • djsoren19@yiffit.net
            5·
            14 days ago

            Yeah the problem is that I do not trust NYPD enough to believe they wouldn’t frame someone, or even just fabricate a manifesto for the real killer to move them through a bullshit speedy trial.

            • kandoh@reddthat.com
              4·
              14 days ago

              I can believe that but then why this target? Why not someone with a huge rap sheet and less political and financial connections?

          • Rakonat@lemmy.worldEnglish
            21·
            14 days ago

            By whom? And how was it verified? The fact that he had a social media presence doesn’t mean anything, and can equally be argued that he would have just posted it online rather keep it hidden on his person.

            • kandoh@reddthat.com
              41·
              14 days ago

              Ken Klippenstein has verified it amd he has a pretty good record with this sort of stuff.

              The scenario where this is an NYPD forgery is possible but extremely unlikely.

  • ramsorge@discuss.online
    301·
    15 days ago

    I mean, if he doesn’t say it’s his manifesto, we need to be skeptical. Since he is claiming he is not guilty right now, we have to assume this is something weird.

    • atzanteol@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      131·
      15 days ago

      Nobody pleads guilty to murder. There’s no reason to without a really good plea bargain which is very unlikely.

      • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
        4·
        15 days ago

        The PA may want a deal for a quick trial. The publicity of a long and drawn out trial won’t look good for all the rich, corrupt, assholes in power. They’ll want it to be over quickly and get Luigi shoved out of the lime light. Also, especially without a plea there is a very real chance that one of the jurors could vote “not guilty”, which would shine a huge spotlight on the fact that jurors can simply vote “not guilty” if they support whatever a defendant has done and they’d get off completely free, which again, the rich and powerful would dreadfully hate.

        So I could see a lot of reasons that a prosecutor would strike a very good plea bargain with Luigi. The risk of an acquittal or long trial that could fuel copycat killings or a huge power shift in the US seems pretty realistic.

    • very_well_lost@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      15 days ago

      I wouldn’t take a “not guilty” plea as evidence of much.

      Pleading “not guilty” is the only way to get in front of a jury, which is probably the best chance he has at this point — both in terms of staying out of jail and in terms of boosting his message.

      A trial will inevitably become a media circus, and a media circus is great if your goal is bringing attention to your particular ideology.

      • ramsorge@discuss.online
        2·
        15 days ago

        Those brows don’t lie. But I am definitely open to evidence that he was not it. This should be a very fascinating trial

  • Mac@mander.xyzEnglish
    15·
    15 days ago

    Can’t wait for the the documentary about the planted evidence and how this guy was a fall guy.