Are you aware the Constitution sets out requirements for eligibility for president? Just because your feelings say you really want a particular person, it doesn’t mean you have a constitutional right to vote for them. For example, maybe I really want Arnold Schwarzenegger for president. Just because I prefer Arnold that does not mean he can be president.
Trumpers could vote for Trump in 2020 and they still staged a violent insurrection. So your point is both stupid and moot.
Laws are important, I’m sure if someone broke into your home and stole all your stuff you wouldn’t want the law to just shrug and go who cares.
maybe a good lawyer can equate them
It’s interesting that you consider a swampy dishonest lawyer to be a “good” lawyer.
How are MAGA voters losing the democratic options to express themselves?
There’s lots of good reasons to be anti-Biden.
BUT PER THE LAW, Biden is eligible to run and Trump is not.
This has nothing to do with feelings or even policy. Nothing to do with sides.
This is just the straight up facts. Trump has engaged in insurrection. Biden has not. The 14th Amendment is clear that insurrectionists are not eligible for office.
If you want to be eligible for office, dotn engage in insurrection. It’s not fucking complicated.
Trump also said “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
If you shake someone’s hand and also punch them, does the handshake cancel out the punch?
You’re being slimy and dishonest again. Trump is a politician, he talks out both sides of his mouth. Talking out both sides of your mouth does not cancel out.
I’ll give an hyperbolic example. “Instagram star breaks DC window” = followers are insurrectionists. Anyone liking a post is barred from the ballot.
You can’t tell the difference between double tapping an Instagram post and offering a presidential pardon?
Whose democratic options to express themselves is being taken away?
Statistically it is non-white people, so why is it white people who are turning to violence?
You should actually be more worried that violent insurrection becomes the norm.
Violent storming of the Capitol is insurrectionalist and obvious (like assault)
That was not your original statement but it’s a lot more correct now, and if we can agree that an obvious insurrection is an insurrection, that’s a very good start.
We fight like hell. And if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore
I don’t see any honest case to be made that this isn’t incitement of insurrection.
Additionally, the 14th Amendment does not require you to prove it was an incitement, it’s enough to provide aid or comfort to the insurrectionists. Of which there are numerous examples, including Trump repeatedly offering to pardon the insurrectionists.
That’s like if you assaulted someone, and then claiming you didn’t assault them because you think assault isn’t strongly defined.
It’s just a very stupid and slimy way of saying you think laws shouldn’t apply to you.
It’s not vague at all. Engage in an insurrection, you can’t hold office. Trump incited an insurrection that was broadcast on national television.
Biden hasn’t incited an insurrection, but if he did, he would also be ineligible for office.
The problem with Republicans is they actually don’t give the smallest shit about the law or the US Constitution. They’re fascists, the don’t have integrity or values, except to value seizing and maintaining power, by any means necessary.
“how much land you own” lmfaooo remind them how much land Bill Gates owns and watch them trip over their own feet trying to amend that statement.
The US has never been a country that’s good or fair. It’s only very slowly gotten a little better through the sweat and blood of good people.
If we want it to get better it’s going to be a lot of difficult and painstaking work.
Since you’re either unable or unwilling to engage in any further, I’ll tell you what it looks like right now:
Any rational well-adjusted person will be pro-trans rights. Therefore it doesn’t make a good enough loyalty check for a rather high-key cultish group. The neo-pronouns are the loyalty check. Neo-pronouns have nothing to do with being trans, everything to do with checking to see if someone fits into the cult.
Hexbear weaponizes accusations of transphobia the exact way Israel weaponizes accusations of antisemitism. It’s nothing to do with trans people or Jewish people, and everything to do with the cult. You are either with the cult, or you’re against it.
At the end of the day, Israel is bad for Jews, and will happily sacrifice the rights of Jewish people around the world, I think Hexbear is bad for trans rights, and will happily sacrifice the rights and safety of trans people anywhere in the world to achieve its own political goals. For example, Dems in the US might be trash, but they are also the only change trans people have right now. I think Hexbear would throw trans people in the US in front of a train if it meant a geopolitical win for them.
So call me whatever you want; when it comes to afab and amab people who want to be identified as a brother, a sister, or a sibling, they have always had my unwavering support. When it comes to Hexbear and the neo-pronouns, that is demonstrably the real transphobia, and trans exploitation. And I am still waiting to hear otherwise.
Also gonna bug you again because I am so thirsty for conversation around this.
I am not trans, but from what I’ve seen and experienced from people close to me, especially in the midwest, living as a trans person is difficult and dangerous. There’s so much work to put in to be perceived a certain way, which bathroom is it safe to use, getting medical care, getting hormones and transitioning, who is it safe to come out to.
But then you can have over here a super privileged white man, who decides he now goes by neo-pronouns, puts no work or risk in and retains every privilege in society of being a white man.
This looks to me in absolutely no way comparable to what it’s like to be trans.
I would say something like, I feel like neo-pronoun people have culturally appropriated the struggle of trans people. You can pick up some neo-pronouns and get all the leftist points, without actually putting yourself on the line the way trans people put themselves on the line.
I’ll take the L again and say the above is coming from a place of personal ignorance. I am an ignorant asshole. I’m very interesting in learning different and even better perspectives.
So maybe you can help me out with this bit:
Where I’m at right now, I feel like trans inclusivity means, that regardless of being born afab or amab, if you want to be perceived and treated by he/him pronouns, she/her pronouns, or they/them pronouns, you deserve that recognition and treatment.
That is currently where I am at for trans inclusivity.
I support that, in my workplace and in my community.
Am I falling short here? Am I not reaching far enough to be trans inclusive?
Edit: SA was a different thread, it’s somewhere way back there in my history.
Yeah I was a complete asshole. Not an excuse, but this was after about 2-dozen people sexually harassed me, so I was not at my best. And I will apologize any time for anyone who is hurt or offended.
That said, I was also speaking to people who started out as rape apologists in the context of Russian soldiers and Ukrainians families. If you’re pretty cool with kids getting raped by soldiers, but you’re offended that someone didn’t memorize 4 different neo-pronouns, that is 100% a place of privilege. Am I wrong on that?
Edit: also, as you are a trans person, recognizing that you are in a world where your safety is often a razor-thin line, anything I said that you felt unsafe around, I do deeply apologize.
Hexbear also weaponizes accusations of transphobia the same way Israel weaponizes accusations of anti-semitism.
Now Hexbear hasn’t done any genocide yet, but it does loove to talk about executing people, many and frequently.
Factually incorrect, either you don’t know what is going on, or you’re lying. The Senate failed to remove him as president, that is all. There is an ongoing criminal case during which Trump was indicted this past year. There has been no acquittal, contrary to your claim.
I agree 100%. I don’t want Biden or any of the other GOP candidates either. And yet, none of them have so far staged and supported an insurrection. I only think candidates should be discluded based on law.
I’m logically consistent, which is something you are not capable of understanding.
Well, Trumpers are extremely delusional and very stupid. So, they will get very violent, even though Trumpers have the most to lose and least to gain from an actual Civil War 2.
One massive trumper delusion is that they are the only ones with guns. In reality, leftists, anarchists, anti-fascists, and communists have a ridiculous amount of firepower stored.
The big difference is that Trumpers paint a big target on themselves and their homes, flying Trump flags and wearing trump merch. Trumpers are not ready to fight a war against an enemy they can’t find. They’re like the Redcoats of the American Revolution, they are big loud and meant to intimidate, they are not ready to fight an actual bloody war of attrition against an enemy they cannot see.