Like I said, I’m not arguing that many apps are built as electron apps when they’re just glorified web apps. Though I’m neutral on whether that’s a bad thing or not. I’m definitely against apps being built with electron that don’t really have UIs, defeating the entire point of electron and friends…

VSCode is another example you’re missing. And they have put a LOT of work into making as many features available in the web-version as possible, the feature parity isn’t an accident.

Or Obsidian.

Examples aside, you might be surprised by applications you may not think of as not using native features, that rely heavily on them, expecting to be executing in a Node environment and not a browser one. Especially on the networking and process side. Browsers are extremely restrictive.

What are you talking about…? Please re-read my comment above :/

An electron app is a natjve application that renders a browser based UI. You appear to be conflating the browser-based UI with the whole “native application” thing.

It comes with all the advantages a native application does, like having hardware access, working natively offline, working with the filesystem, interfacing with the OS and installed OS packages, being able to use other native binaries, being able to use more native networking capabilities…etc

Sure lots of electron applications that people make could just be a web app, I’m not arguing that.

I am, however, pointing out that you are grossly incorrect that electron (and all other technologies like it, we’re not really just talking about electron here) is 'just a web app". It’s a native application server and a web-based UI, which means I can write an application in C# with all of the .Net advantages, with a web UI, that runs natively on your device for example.

This lets me ship a product much faster than if I was going to build that UI in QT or GTK, with a significantly upgraded user experience that is consistent across all platforms.

Depression or ADHD?

A bit miserable this week. Got sick, and haven’t been able to sleep more than a few hours a night as a result, which is making it worse.

A misery snowball effect.

Hoping I can get a full night’s sleep soon 🤞

I have a PC I built a year and a half ago and apparently it “doesn’t meet the requirements” for windows 11…

Ryzen 5 5600x and a 3060 TI.

Which is… Also a real desktop app. This shallow take is getting incredibly old, and doesn’t even contribute to actual valuable discussion… If you don’t see the value in this being shipped, then why try and tear the value down for others?

I main C#, and even I would rather build cross platform full applications with electron than any of the other options available. I’m definitely choosing it over QT or gtk. Why? Because I can actually ship the project with all the necessary features, in good time, and bake in a great user experience.

That’s the difference here. Practical problems vs reality. Shipping the project & features vs not.

Yes, there are many successful applications not built with electron, ofc there are, that’s not my point. My point is that the productivity difference is such that it’s the difference between not building the thing vs building it and successful shipping it to users. You can argue and shit on the difference, but at the end of the day the above is what really matters.

I don’t think that’s how it works, and is a pretty toxic and non-constructive way to look at this.

I’ve played around with this a few times now and I talked about getting a trench coat for a good day with my wife and now I just won’t stop getting ads for long coats…

Honestly it’s ridiculously invasive.

Hopefully without the toxic devs?

So… Throw them in jail? Make them accountable? Revoke the companies ability to do business till the records are provided?

Then again, that’s just fantasy because the laws don’t matter if you’re Rick/big enough anymore.

Incredibly easy to miss, damn.

Honestly?

Heat death of the universe.

Our biology is hardwired for tribalism.

Really, victim blaming?

Get out of here with that low quality crap.

Yeah, it’s technical topics I care about, and have a hard time with in current search engines.

There is so much noise caused by celebrity news, current events, “hot topics”, politics, “top 10” list spam, SEO gaming…etc that searches on Google, bing, and ddg are just frustrating.

This is literally “nuh uh” quality discussion. We get it, you like SearXNG, are you actually trying Kagi?

I just tried a few SearXNG instances and the quality is the same as what I get from Google or Bing anyways.

Trying out Kagi now to see if it’s better or not.

That’d be weird if they couldn’t, there’s no way they can improve their search engine other than by watching the way users use it.

Otherwise it exists in a vacuum.

It would be neat for Lemmy to have something like it. It’s a great way to self fund in an engaging way.

There probably needs to be a foundation or something that can distribute funds to instances though to prevent heavy consolidation by way of simple popularity based funding 🤔

Obsidians really good with lots of notes and linking them together as well as adding metadata to them.

It really depends on your use case. The plug-in ecosystem is also quite rich.

Lemmy is… Not distributed computing.

If each instance is a separate application than must scale on it’s own, then no distributed computing is occuring.

There is one database, and you can have the instance itself behind a load balancer.

Lemmy is not a distributed program, you can’t scale it linearly by adding more nodes. It’s severely limited by it’s database access patterns, to a single DB, and is not capable of being distributed in it’s current state. You can put more web servers behind a load balancer, but that’s not really “distributed computing” that’s just “distributing a workload”, which has a lot of limitations that defeat it being truly distributed.

Actual distributed applications are incredibly difficult to create at scale, with many faux-distribited applications being made (Lemmy being n-tier im a per instance basis).

Think of Kafka. Kafka is an actual distributed application.

Cloud computing is… Not distributed computing.

We’re talking about pushing compute workloads across a distributed set of devices where that workload is linearly scalable by the number of devices involved, compute, storage, failovers…etc scale elegantly. Cloud computing can give you the tools to make such a thing a reality within the scope of the cloud provider, but it most definitely is not distributed computing just by existing.

Also the fediverse is NOT distributed computing either, at least for Lemmy. There is no distributed compute available for Lemmy. You can’t have a few hundred users toss up their own compute to handle loads for an instance. Each instance is limited to a single database, and can have webservers behind a load balancer to spread out the compute. And that’s about the best you’ve got. Not distributed, you can’t just spin up 100 nodes for a Lemmy instance to handle more load and everything “just works”. It’s a very “classic” architecture in a way.

A K8 cluster isn’t distributed computing until you build a distributed application that can elegantly scale with more and more nodes. And is fault tolerant to nodes straight up dying.

Kafka for example, is an actual distributed application. One which you could run on a K8 cluster, it self-manages storage, duplication, load balancing, failovers, rebalancing…etc elegantly as you add more nodes. It doesn’t rely on a central DB, it IS the DB, every node. Lemmy is not.