seems pretty epic to me! :p

left me stunlocked with this one icl

on the surface they do a lot right. warrant canary, no logs, solid infrastructure, profitable.

for me, i really don’t like the weird ways that they market. super misleading to imply that they make a person “anonymous” and/or greatly improve your privacy beyond you sending them your information instead of your isp. i also really dont like the lack of transparency, particularly with closed-source clients. i also really don’t like the number of controversies that nord has been in, even insofar as getting hacked. i don’t want my vpn provider to have any, let alone quite a few, of these controversies.

in terms of the model, proton is transitioning to a non-profit which reinforces why they are so well-regarded by the community. long history of doing right by consumers, where it matters most.

my bad, i misunderstood. thanks.

i don’t think we disagree in a vacuum but bringing that up in the context of this particular thread is probably unhelpful

beehaw is a safe-space, we shouldnt villify the experiences/needs of people who need alt-text. this could be game changing for people who need it.

so cool man, thanks for sharing this

i doubt you’ll get banned lol, it’s probably not that deep to the admins.

if anyone is concerned about it, just open the instance ToS and ctrl+f “name”. im sure it’s not important.

i think you should read the replies to the hackernews post, there’s some interesting discussion there with more nuance. particularly the thread started by user “kens”

just a comment to try get this to the active tab. best of luck guys <3

not to come off overly negative- steve also does great work. i hope we hear from LMG soon <3

not to cast doubt on anything he says here, but steve has increasingly been making ‘dunk’ videos for the past year or two. i feel like his channel has been trying to find (or create) exposés, because those are the videos that pop off. starting from the video of that NZXT case that caused fires.

again, not to cast doubt on the experiences of billet labs, but i question steve’s intentions in presenting this. i hope this discussion doesn’t end up revolving around gamers nexus.

i just tried this and got a more fence-sitting result of “here are the pros and cons, there should be public discussion before we know if it’s good or bad”.

but your result is fascinating.

so good ty <3

the guys on the matrix server (lionir and chloyster particularly) have been using this link, i swapped over to the same one as them so we’re not competing with eachother.

everyone hurry up and join, she’s coming together but there’s not much time left. come help!! :p

join guys, she’s coming together really nicely

youtube music shilling incoming, ignore if dont care :p

awesome if you’re a spotify user, but to anyone on the fence, youtube music is just so much comfier. and if you’re a privacy advocate or anything adjacent, i’m sure you’re still using youtube in some way anyway so you may as well cut out spotify, another exploitative company, and just leave yourself with youtube.

there are plenty of free services that let you convert spotify playlists into youtube music ones, and you can listen to them using mobile frontends like InnerTune or web frontends like HyperPipe. free offline listening, no ads, good frontends, it’s just comfy and you can cut out a dependency on spotify. besides, if you do end up ever trying to export anything from your spotify (playlists, downloading songs, etc), chances are it’ll use the youtube api anyway.

it’s comfyyyyy

there’s a lot of valid stuff in here, particularly the expandable storage part. i was wrong there, i distinctly remember being frustrated at the offset because of media i’d read describing the opposite. i should’ve double checked that, thanks for calling me out on that.

i still think the issue with the updates is a major concern. when a person hears that they’re receiving 7 years of updates, they expect to be receiving updates in a timely fashion and to receive as many as those updates as possible.

i think throughout many of your points here you’re creating plausible deniability for fairphone in their marketing, which is in line with what you said at the end. i promise you, people are not doing this extensive research like you are. chances are, they watch an MKBHD video about the phone and then decide because of a lack of tech literacy. that’s not necessarily a bad thing, people follow different paths in life and have different interests. i couldn’t tell you anything about the technology of the door and hinges i just installed in my bedroom. but a person is entitled to be made aware of all of these asterisks and i feel like that discussion is not happening enough.

to imply that fairphone technically accomplishes their promises, and technically that this is okay because it’s what the industry does, simply isn’t good enough for me. if this marketing was pushed in another direction, as in to say “we can’t give you the service of other phones at an equal price point. we do our best to get you the best hardware as we can, but that comes with limitations, and we try our best to mitigate this with software, but we’re only a small team so these updates and patches come out very late” then that gives another image. but they don’t, they use catchy slogans even on their website like “Reliable, secure and ready to do business. The perfect match for your company’s values”. i feel like doing research into all of the drop-downs in their website will give you a different impression because you find some more honesty there, but i hope we agree that the reason these things are not mentioned/inferred on the front page is because they know it isn’t as pretty, and the average person who ‘just wants a phone’, and lives a more ethical life, won’t be pursuing that.

i think that any individual point that i reply to will wrap back around to the misleading marketing anyway and i don’t want to create a post where i just make the same point 15 times (to an extent i feel i already may have), i dont think anyone would want to read that. the main point being that you have a level of tech literacy that allows you to research the specifics of these caveats but a normal person simply does not understand and does not want to. these people who are buying a device that is worse than alternatives at a similar price point, understanding that the tax they’re paying is for their ethical values, deserve to have a better understanding of what they’re getting into. deliberately avoiding this is a big concern to me.

i can understand if my post came off overly negative, i also replied to my own thread on the linked post saying that we shouldn’t make good the enemy of perfect, and that when a person understands all these things, if the fairphone still fits your needs then it’s a great option. i have a bitter taste in my mouth from the way that fairphone handles marketing, especially when they adopt the moniker of Ethical and Sustainable. and i want to share some of these potential concerns with people who may be less tech literate.

there’s a good chance we simply disagree here on the importance of this, and that’s fine. i think we will and that’s why i opened this with “there’s a lot of valid stuff here” because i understand this isn’t where everyone draws their line in the sand. i hope other readers can see this discussion and understand where their priorities lie. or at the very least, make a more educated purchase.

there’s no news on the specifics of the device just yet, just a couple of sneak peaks. so it’s hard to say if it will be returning the headphone jack, bringing back expandable storage, or using newer models of SoC that aren’t immediately out of OEM update support. if these problems can be addressed, then the hardware of the phone will be fair game in my books.

however, the misleading marketing and the shameful software support are likely to unchange. the software support is a massive gaping hole that i feel like isn’t being discussed enough. taking 6 years to provide 3-4 years of software support shouldn’t be touted as excellence.