Say what you want about psychoanalysis, but if this isn’t a defense mechanism against owning their own tendencies, then I don’t know what it is.

Wow, that’s good to know. Did you know the blocking feature in Activity Pub also ended up there because of queer and feminist people?

Also reminds me of Party Block, a discontinued Twitter blocking app developed by a feminist tech-startup. And Shinigami Eyes of course. The blocking system of BlueSky seems to have best of both worlds. This is exciting!

Probably they mean server as in Discord server. Whether that’s accurate for Rocket chat they based it off, I don’t know.

Well, pro-trans and pro-gay hacks both I guess.

This is interesting. Why build on the backs? Did trans people contribute to it a lot, or are we talking about the early user base?

Wait what happened here? Did the GPT understand what the hooman did not? R O F L

Right? There is so much more juice in the article. Plus a honorary mention to the gay furry hacking of Heritage Foundation some time ago.

It gives hope, innit?

they dont know how to tell when someone is trans even though they’re convinced they do

The word you are looking for is “entitled” to know when someone is trans. The sight of a passing trans person causes them existential terror.

Fellas is it gay to have sex with a woman?

This is not the first time that this paradox pops up. Couple years ago I heard the same thing for people who want assertive women, sexually speaking. So, any divergence from heteronormative roles in the most rigid sense is considered “gay”.

Man dial it down a bit, I am combating transphobic ignorance on Lemmy almost full time. I am just worried that the only ones seeing our good arguments are you and me. Otherwise, I won’t respond to that tone.

Exactly. I said it is so good that more people should see it.

Let’s do our part people and stop downvoting each other…

The borrow checker checks literally that you don’t take foreign things, so there is that.

Nice, but what have you done today so that more people see this info, so that we have less next door ignorance like what is manifested all over Lemmy?

the consequences like rental cars costing three times as much because 19-year-olds are fucking stupid

This is a slippery slope fallacy. People are arguing in favor of a careful, suitable, medical treatment, not in favor of utter relentlessness. Unless gender is that important to your worldview, that society is at risk of immediate collapse because of gender affirming care??

People over 25 can do whatever the fuck they want. It varies for 18, 21 etc

Exactly. And other things people can do at 16, that they can’t do at 12. Do you have specific arguments^[1] about the age range of gender affirming care?

A trans person in their 25-30’s having undergone puberty will have to undergo expensive and painful procedures that could not undo all of the unwanted effects of puberty. Do you think this is a better outcome? Experts don’t!

And most importantly: What do you think gender-affirming care is?

Oh, I got one of my own: The notion that Linux is for enthusiasts that spend most of the time tweaking their computer, and therefore Linux can’t be used by an end user who just want to get things done.

Close to this is the classic adage: “Linux is only free if you don’t value your time” which is an extension that assumes that extensive tweaking is necessary to get to work, not an option available to the power user.

(But they still complain when Microsoft fucks over their workflow on every update. It is a double standard because Microsoft is “a brand”, so yes, I will say it is a Linux-specific bias.)

disdain for C programmers, from LISP programmers, in the Unix Hater’s Handbook (1994)

I’m definitely looking that up.

John Carmack

He’s great indeed. Thanks for the reference.

Also what he says about LISP reminds me of The Bipolar LISP Programmer article.

Feel free to tell us about your project then.

I adore that your sources were: Yourself

It is a whole thread, not just my analysis. I also put thought into it, so I won’t recite every point I carefully phrase there to a rando centrist, so live with it.

a comic strip and a paraphrasing of a (solid) late night comedian

Directly responding to your very argument though, are you going to engage with these responses or what?

I did watch Stewart’s take

Stewart took on an Alabama MAGA moron legislator on trans youth heatlhcare bans. We are probably not talking about the same segment. The part you are talking about is probably the one I am criticizing in the thread you refused to read because it was written by me, so why should we bother with your tired argument? This borders on sea-lioning since a couple iterations ago, and I think if this is the case it is actionable.

Which is as dumb as people on the Right saying that “trump said he respects and loves women so I don’t get how the libs think he’s anti woman.”

But you talked about pitching to the progressive base, not the opposite side. MAGA fanatics are cult-minded morons that dismiss everything that diverts from their narrative. There is no comparison to centrist and center-left democrats base, who operate under totally different rules than a fucking Nazi cult.

Your example about the Ad is addressed to a cult.

You said:

no way to rebut it without alienating our progressive wing, so we just take the L on this

Just searching around Lemmy you can find fine rebuttals to this bullshit. You make it sound like it is unthinkable to rebut these hateful tropes. This is more or less what Matt Walsh and Ben Shapiro tout: That their common sense is unrebuttable. It is not.

to ZERO pushback from Harris

She could have rebutted, and take them on. Same goes for Rachel Levin. They chickened out of it. Furthermore, the mainstream progressive media not only omitted to address misconceptions and dangerous cliches, but they chimed in with thinly veiled TERFism, and this is because the interests behind the Democrats are in part transphobic as well.

This also responds to these words of yours:

To say that trans issues weren’t a thing this election because your side didn’t talk about then is absurd.

I keep saying they abstained from matching the excessive anti-trans propaganda. What is your point?

I said that Oliver and Stewart, the Scientific American, the APA, and several other bodies have addressed trans issues to the progressive base, and no-one in the left thought they were unpalatable until now. The progressive media would have protected against this, that is more than a decade in the happening, but they did not.

Given that it’s an issue that some 70% of America disagrees with us on

Shit man, this is such a complex study that I can easily point out that 60% of Democrats think that trans representation has not even gone far enough.

Above all, I don’t think that trans issues are edgy and unpopular at all. Until a couple years ago it was a strictly medical thing, with a very niche activism surrounding it, mostly on legal representation and medical gatekeeping issues.

It was the fascists who spent millions to demagogue on that point for many years, and I think people should be educated on trans issues as they should a decade ago.

At this point people who take anti-trans propaganda seriously are lost causes to me, and this includes people who fall for an ad like the one you posted. There is no point to cater to them from a pro-trans perspective, it is like trying to appeal to a 1936 German crowd applauding Hitler about the human rights of Jews at this point.

The view you defend here is essentially a compromise to concurrent Nazi discourse, which as I said is unacceptable, and I don’t care about Democrats ratings. I rather see that the extreme left everywhere dials up the pro-trans issues and organize defense and survival programs.

such an easy bone to throw moderates with almost no real world costs (apologies to the handful of high level trans athletes

Again I have cited arguments against the supposedly self-evident low hanging fruit you evangelize here.

I think that I have responded to all your concerns here or elsewhere in my Lemmy posts and comments, and I won’t respond further. You probably come from a naive self-designated center-left perspective, but the discourse of this post borders too closely to sealioning and concern trolling, that I will not waste more of my time on.

I don’t actually believe there’s a way for the Left to pitch trans issues

Then fuck the Left, I guess?

doesn’t alienate our progressive base

Then fuck “our” “progressive” base?

If the “Left” had spent a fraction of the resources to match the vile torrent of anti-trans propaganda, the situation would be different, with regard to both of your points about pitching trans issues to the progressive base.

Like, John Oliver and Jon Stewart showed exactly how a mainstream progressive media can combat anti-trans demagoguery by Republicans, not to mention Scientific American, the American Psychological Association, and other bodies. You probably weren’t listening because if you don’t think this is a way to “pitch” then you might have been listening to other sources that make the matter unpalatable, like “biological males in female sports” and what have you.

So I take it as a given that you were listening to the wrong sources about it, and you are at least partially anti-trans yourself. On the other hand, you might not be listening to all the analyses after the fact that point to other issues as to why Democrats lost the election. See for example this thread, this comic strip, and this thread also.

In a nutshell, Harris did already try to appeal to the transphobes and she failed. So this should be end of discussion. I am not discussing compromise of the human rights of any group in order to appease to either moderate or extreme bigots.