• key@lemmy.keychat.orgEnglish
    4·
    7 months ago

    Makes me kinda wish that when defederating you could select a one word label for why. Like a fixed list with several options like pedo, spam, harassment, abandoned, etc and a default of other. Make it a bit easier with a big list like this to say, oh 1000 of these 1400 all selected “racism” when defederating so it’s probably very racist and I should also defederate. But if it’s a lot of “other” or inconsistent reasons maybe I should spend a bit of time digging.

        • ijeff@lemdro.idEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          Agreed! I’m really appreciative of folks putting this kind of work into Lemmy.

      • drathvedro@lemm.ee
        English
        1·
        7 months ago

        What’s up with all the pedo instances? Why are they creating instances in an open web? Are they dumb or something? It sounds to me that just registering the domain names of some of those could be considered a crime, nevermind openly inviting and hosting CSAM.

        • magnetosphere@kbin.social
          1·
          7 months ago

          Here’s the beginning of the Wikipedia article:

          Kiwi Farms, formerly known as CWCki Forums, is a web forum that facilitates the discussion and harassment of online figures and communities. Their targets are often subject to organized group trolling and stalking, as well as doxxing and real-life harassment.

          So, it’s an assholefarm.

          Although the name originated with one particular site, it looks like the name now applies to any site that serves a similar purpose. Bleah.

        • Fraylor@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          “Minor attracted person” the whitewashed version of the word pedophile.

    • 520@kbin.social
      1·
      7 months ago

      The internet. It’s a fucked up place. Nothing like what the big players on the internet would have you believe.

      So long as there exists a way for people to not get prosecuted, these things will exist.

      • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
        1·
        7 months ago

        Realistically, the more accessible the internet becomes the more it reflects the behavior of humanity at large.

        These things exist because they’re part of us. The internet probably makes them more visible, but I doubt it makes them more extant.

  • I Cast Fist@programming.devEnglish
    2·
    7 months ago

    seal.cafe, cawfee.club and sleepy.cafe sure got welcoming names. Given the number of defederations, I doubt the contents are anything like the names.

    • viking@infosec.pubEnglish
      2·
      7 months ago

      Most of them were automatically defederated for not having adequate protection against bot signups, that got nothing to do with sketchy content.

      • Mango@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        7 months ago

        As someone interested in both sides of security game theory, what exactly helps stop bots? I grew up playing RuneScape and hating bots before making r/Artisanvideos and hating them even more. I’ve always wondered if it’s a matter of automatically detecting precise repetitive patterns or just specific giveaway signs.

      • hansl@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        7 months ago

        If the bots are welcomed and they don’t have good enough moderation, this is just sketchy content with extra steps.

  • lemmyingly@lemm.eeEnglish
    2·
    7 months ago

    Where/how is this obtained?

    I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.

    • Dramatic Shitposter@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
      2·
      7 months ago

      Where/how is this obtained?

      I’m curious about seeing an entire list of defederated instances.

      fba.ryona.agency

      Be aware that it doesn’t track when lemmy instances defederate from other fediverse instances correctly and hasn’t for months, and that it’s run someone from one of those 50 defederated instances.

  • Pohl@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    7 months ago

    This is a real rogues gallery of internet. And… a soccer team from Detroit. What the fuck did those guys do?

      • deczzz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        01·
        7 months ago

        Best sport in the world. Football is more than just FIFA etc, you know? Getting children to play and have fun is good. Me and my friends playing football is also good. But yeah, just boil everything down to how corps fuck things up.

        Lol why the f do I get downvoted for this.

    • Gianmarco Gargiulo@feddit.itEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      Defederated means that the server has been forbidden from connecting and communicating with specific other servers that have decided to defederate with it, so users from the server can’t see or interact with users and posts on the server that defederated it and vice versa. Hopefully I was clear and coincise.

    • Akagigahara@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      Federated means that any instance that is federated with them receives their content and can bee seen on that instance.

      Defederated means they are not federated anymore, thus blocking both users and content.

      It’s usually done to combat content you don’t want on your instance

      • bouldering_barista@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        7 months ago

        Ok ok… So me using Lemmy.world is a specific instance of Lemmy, so it’s almost like its own server? And other instances (maybe lemmy.unitiedstates?) is its own federated instance likely related to just U.S. posts and it can communicate with other instances? Do de-federated instances have no other communication with instances?

        Apologies if these are silly, I feel like a dum dum because everyone else seems to grasp this except me.

    • WhatThaFudge@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      So you need to look at the number of de federations. That is basically how many other instances have blocked them and do not receive content from them to their feed. You can still go to all these instances using their respective urls and see what they are like. The reasons for blocking them vary depending on the instance. Edit: They can still be federated with other instances that don’t block them creating their own little fediverse bubbles.

  • yamanii@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    7 months ago

    Eientei? From touhou? Wonder what’s in there. Also was expecting to see the pawoo competitor misskey.io since several japanese artists went there after Musk bought twitter.

    • Peter1986C@lemmings.worldEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      I checked. Mostly a handful-of-people instance doing whatever on some Pleroma/Akkoma instance. Not much to see there and not much of what I could see there seemed to make much sense to me. Perhaps the defeds are mostly preventative but I cannot tell.

  • Clbull@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    7 months ago

    This is why I believe federation should be an opt-in process rather than servers being federated by default.

    Some of you may remember when Lemmy World was flooded with CSAM by other hostile instances and had to temporarily disable image uploads.

    • Margot Robbie@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      Lemmy supports both blacklist and whitelist federation, but the only large instance that uses whitelist federation as far as I know currently is Hexbear.

    • 👁️👄👁️@lemm.eeEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      That would destroy the already limited content of the fedi. It’s like people hate content discovery for some reason.

      • pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world
        English
        02·
        7 months ago

        It’s almost like federation is a stupid fucking idea that doesn’t work

        It’s almost like it’s fundamentally broken and no one else wants to admit it

    • VBB@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      there are peoples who create instances for their families, who is going to manually federate with all these small instances?

      • RickRussell_CA@kbin.social
        1·
        7 months ago

        Nominally, you’d need to go through some request process to request federation with other large instances. Then they’d vet your configuration before adding you.

        • Flax@feddit.ukEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          Would be nice if they had some form of agreement where you can get accepted by one big instance, you get accepted by all. Or maybe even a standard order form and application which you can send to all major instances with the click of a button

  • spookex@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    7 months ago

    Does kiwifarms.cc even exist anymore? I remember hanging out there while the main site was under maintenance, but it seems to have gone offline since then

    • CryoBoot@lemmy.worldBEnglish
      1·
      7 months ago

      Not sure why this is downvoted, but’s been down for longer than a week according to isitdownrightnow.

      • Hal-5700X@lemmy.worldEnglish
        01·
        7 months ago

        Not sure why this is downvoted

        Because people hate Kiwi Farms. The reason why people hate them because KF haves freedom and it’s unkillable.

        • Honytawk@lemmy.zipEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          People frown upon doxxing and stalking, the law does so too.

          Especially if it is just to push people into suicide.

          Any sane person would hate KiwiFarms. They are the degenerates of the internet. Akin to skinheads. Anyone who identifies as one of them should be banned, IP blocked and seriously beaten if encountered in real life.