Yeah yeah, I’ve heard that before. There’s a whole cottage industry of “experts” that have predicted the imminent collapse of China going back decades. Call me when it actually happens.
China’s economy is stacked like a house of cards and could come crumbling down due to some unforeseen global financial shock, but then again that sounds like most modern economies. I think people just pick on China because, instead of having a group of billionaires stack up the cards, the government does it themselves.
The Chinese government stacks the cards though it actually has the capability to use some toothpicks to hold them in place, and will immediately rebuild it things start to fall apart.
To contrast, the US will flounder and pull their one “low interest rates” lever while having a political blowout over some sort of stimulus funding package that probably won’t pass.
Even if that shock happens, China will still be in a better situation. Like, they actually manufacture stuff there, and the government builds infrastructure aggressively. That’s two massive benefits to economic security and health.
But what if all that high speed rail disappears, huh? Didn’t think about that, stupid tankie.
It’s a legitimate risk. Rail theft by the mole-people is up 12% in the last quarter.
Do you repeat something you heard there or can you in detail describe how the worlds greates manufacturing Hub is a economy build on Cards…
china believes in the heart of the cards
This is what China wanted their relationship with the US to be like but our ruling class is just too evil and shortsighted for that
Well, actually it’s because China’s roaring economic success is both deeply embarassing and existentially dangerous to international fascism and it is absolutely vital that they both discredit China and prevent their thoroughly indoctrinated population from learning anything about China at all costs.
If that’s the case then the US’s economy is a card dealer pointing a gun at everyone at the table
There’s something extremely funny about the president of the US looking at what’s going on China and saying out loud, “Their economy is a ticking time bomb.” This is almost an onion news story.
Listen, Fat! The US economy is doing better than any economy has every done in history, Jack. I call it Bidenomics. Get with the program.
I’m disappointed, there’s no representation of him having interaction with supernatural beings.
Omfg you people really spam every China related thread on our site huh? Forcing us to endure seeing your annoying asses at every corner, is there no way to block every hexbear user?
why won’t you damn tankies let us lie about China??? STOP IT!! MODS!!!You’re the only lying manchilds here.
Fuck the CCP.
It’s actually the CPC, the Communist Party of China, the CCP is the Cuban Communist Party, hope this helps
You literally have no idea what you’re talking about
Go to the official website of the party and see what they call themselves (in English)
Most people call it CCP, that’s even what’s taught in schools genius.
A damning condemnation of your education system, to be certain
Perfect response honestly
American schooling strikes again.
trust me i know everything about them ,( exept their actuall name … )
It VERBATIM translates to “CCP” in English. The CCP does not get to dictate how it’s translated to in English.
“Most people”
Yeah, if you don’t consider non-whites to be people
It’s literally the most common English name for it. Grow tf up
engaging sexual intercourse with the cpc now
So brave!
Time for you to go make friends with the fascists and shitlibs who share your opinions I guess
Go in the real world kid. 99% of people of all politics will not like China.
You’re such a redditor
It’s also kinda hard to have 99% of people dislike China if 18% of the global population lives there and is very satisfied with their government, not even counting anyone in Russia, other parts of Asia and the Pacific, Central and South America, or Africa.
You’re really showing whose opinions you actually care about. A bunch of propagandized to the brim, comfortable Americans, Canadians, and Europeans
very satisfied with their government
https://www.csis.org/analysis/public-opinion-china-liberal-silent-majority
That’s ridiculous since the Chinese like China and we’re 18% of all humans.
Here’s an article about Americans getting salty that views on China in South America are largely positive as opposed to sub 50% approval rating in English speaking countries.
Here’s Voice of America saying the same thing about Africa and how Africans see China.
Your opinions on China is not only in the minority, it’s a waning minority. Those are western sources I used in case you wanted to cry propaganda.
CatholicSocialist’s criteria for who counts as people:
Nnnnnothin’ personnel, kid…
I think you’d be shocked to find out that most of the world thinks very highly of China and it’s accomplishments and foreign policy. Though you like meant only to refer to Americans, which is understandable given your lamentable biases.
Go read about BRI infrastructure projects in Africa and Asia. The global south is generally very positive about Chinese politics because Chinese give them hospitals and roads and ports.
I wasn’t talking about people in countries that have been bribed.
lmao this is so dumb. Every campaign promise in every democracy is a bribe then?
No… because they never fulfill their promises.
Maybe the US should start “bribing” with infrastructure projects then, I thought they were all about their soft power or whatever
You know the US is upstanding because it won’t even bribe its own citizens by giving them anything that would improve their lives no matter how hard they vote. True democracy!
Hmmm
You live in the US, how are you not being bribed to think the way you do?
In fairness the statement is consistent. The US government does it’s damndest to do nothing what so ever for the citizens of the us.
“I only want a government that doesn’t do good things for me!”
dirty browns bribed by the dirty yellows
China
helped other counties improve the material conditions of their peoplebribed the dumb dark folk.Most POC do not like China either, it’s only a few countries.
[laughs in IMF loans]
Maybe the US should try bribing people instead of bombing them
The nefarious Chinese are tricking people into supporting them by checks notes improving their material conditions.
Thank God I live in America where I’ll never have to worry about the government doing that.
In the real world 99% of people in US think about where their next meal is going to come from instead of perseverating about China the way you’re doing kid.
our site
sorry to break it to you, but the person who runs your instance might be more aligned with the hexbears than with you.
Go back to Reddit with the other bazinga dipshits
what do you mean, “you people”?
and that annoyance you feel is nothing compared to the capitalist propaganda you’ve been swimming in your whole life.
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you’ve made it extremely clear that you don’t read, but I’m going to leave a link here for fun anyway
Casual homophobia to own the tankies
How is it homophobia? I would’ve said the same thing for anyone of any pronoun tags. What makes you so sure I might not be LGBT?
yeah because there aren’t any homophobic queer people. that’d never happen.
Telling someone they suck a man’s dick as an insult is pretty basic homophobia. Unless you meant it as a compliment, then by all means I hope
gets his knob schlobbed for all his hard work.I mean, it could be misogyny. Lets not rush to judgement.
No it isn’t. I would’ve been equally as likely to tell them to suck Xi’s dick if they were a woman. It’s a pretty common insult.
the state is more answerable to the people than a non-state capitalist is.
It wouldn’t be my first choice but it would be an improvement.
A homophobic Catholic; how unsurprising
You literally don’t know my sexuality. Telling someone to suck dick is like an incredibly common expression.
you say that, but have you considered that pee pee poo poo?
What is it with the homophobia and misogyny? Do you understand that using deepthroating is accusing someone of being the receptive participant in the sex act, and that cultural norms expect that person to either be a woman or a gay man? Do you understand that you’re trying to insult someone by accusing them of being a woman or a gay man engaged in a sexual act that you apparently find to be demeaning or shameful? I mean, like, okay, Catholic, so hating queer people and women should be assumed, but are you actually aware you’re doing it or is it just a reflex?
It’s a common fucking expression. You’re overthinking it. You never say “this sucks?” Give me a fucking break and stop discriminating against my religion.
Your tone is that of a teenager and I suspect you do not know how to define state capitalist, or alternatively you don’t know as much as you think about the Chinese economy.
You used so many words to tell us you have no clue.
Disagreeing with you isn’t spam.
Spamming any thread we post about China is.
What makes it spam? We’re invited to lemmy.ml, it shows up on our homepage the same as it does yours (probably even higher because instances more likely to downvote or ignore political posts don’t link with us atm).
If you meant flooding, it’s not that either. We’re a big instance (1k users weekly) with a general interest in politics and a historical anti-lurking culture, so we’ll be disproportionately active in political threads compared to a general instance like lemmy.ml, just like programming.dev is in tech threads. Are we meant to just not share an opinion because too many other people in the same instance already posted their (different) opinion?
Ngl the anti lurking culture of hexbear has been so good for us being able to fucking bully libs coming in despite there maybe being a “silent majority” of ex-reddit libs who probably outnumber us but never post
Back on Reddit we were like the third most active sub in sheer posting velocity after I think the NBA sub with 2.3 million members. They couldn’t keep us off the front page without fucking with the algo. It’s one of the main reasons they quarantined us.
You assholes are single handlely ruining the lemmy experience. We need to defederate ASAP.
You can just make your own instance where only people with brains as smooth as bowling balls are allowed and defederate with the rest of us. I guarantee you that everyone will be much happier.
your own instance where only people with brains as smooth as bowling balls are allowed
Have you considered turning the other cheek?
Have you considered gtfo?
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lol this is the fediverse, this is not your space, this is everyone’s space.
NO, PRIVATIZE IT NOW, PRIVATIZE IT NOW
Well fuck you, you should get kicked out.
Why? Because he’s spitting facts? You really need to log off and have some fresh airs outside
lemmy user posts on lemmy
“why would hexbear do this?”
Same energy as calling any bad thing done by Americans as “like North Korea”
Will no one rid me of these meddlesome hexbears!?
We have to put up with you too, you realize.
Excuse me, I’m here to show my support for Comrade Joe
it just so happens to also be a China thread
p.s.
You can probably block entire instances using one of the 3pa
I found a website that doesn’t have those loser Hexbears. Here let me show you.
Was hopping this was a PPB link.
Please don’t 🥺🙏
Dude, take a break!
I mean I completely disagree with you, but this thread can’t be healthy for you. What purpose is it serving to get enraged here?
I’d say take a breather and if you dare: ask yourself how reliable your impression of China really is, maybe research some older claims that have been proven to be misrepresented or false, like this for example. Not saying you have to become a fan, but there seems to be a propaganda effort to prepare the public for a economic/military war with China. So more people need to be sceptical.
You seem to haven’t accepted it yet, but the capitalist class, through the means of communication they control, construct most impressions you have of foreign countries (without them being able to interject) and facts are negligable as they have been in the news-medias support of every US war effort in history as well.
I got a little carried away, but I meant it in good faith, you decided to wear a badge of socialism after all.
What you do is obviously up to you!
Our secret is that we get a 20$ kickback from a cardiologist in Fresno every time one of these people pops. It’s not honest, not is it much, and yet we soldier on.
you’re getting cash? he’s only giving me these shitty coupons for $2 off a footlong
h shit I spilled the beans!
“you people”
“You people” as in an overwhelmingly White-American group of people that spends their free time defending a brutal regime.
Just keep dropping this link on the hexbears whenever you can:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre
They’re either clueless teenagers that only know the things they’ve learned from TikTok or working for whatever the Chinese equivalent of glavset is. Either way, they tend to make themselves scarce when that link is dropped on them.
oh no, that link appears to have broken my internet!
now my web browser can only take me to this page: https://newint.org/features/2021/12/07/feature-how-british-colonizers-caused-bengal-famine
Sure more past grievances from fascist hexbear. Yeah yeah the British were horrible colonizers. I can say that where I live.
But how about we discuss how you feel about the Tiananmen Square massacre. But of course you can’t because you’re afraid of the repercussions of discussing it even today, don’t you?
I do love how you keep playing to Tiananmen Square card like it’s all 5 pieces of Exodia against Hexbears (supposedly) and it repeatedly has no effect.
The times in your past where it’s worked, it may have been with teenagers that support China to be edgy.
We’re educated who understand China’s faults and side with China over US/UK/Can anyway. But you simply can’t comprehend people that think China’s positives outweight it’s negatives without them being paid 50 cents a post.
You know they teach about it in China, right? You’re so far up your own ass you’re just telling stories about stories you’ve been told and none of them have anything to do with reality.
Tiananmen Square? That was thirty years ago, why are you bringing up past greivances like a fascist? Kind of sus to me dude
I feel sort of a warm, minty sensation. I really appreciate the students willingness to boldly confront the Deng government to voice their opposition to the imposition of liberal market economics, and I’m sympathetic to their position that social conservativism and a very restrictive public culture was not in line with communist practice. It also demonstrates the delicate balance of power between the party and the people.
Why would we make ourselves scarce when some one drops a link to the wikipedia article on Tiananmen Square?
Either way, they tend to make themselves scarce when that link is dropped on them.
looks down-thread
Oh no… they deployed… The Link!
The religious faith and certainty Liberals have in the significance of the Jun 4th incident is utterly bizarre.
“Here, take this pitcher of kool-aid. The bees tend to make themselves scarce if you pour it all over yourself”
Imagine thinking the most Redditor-ass reply of linking to Wikipedia of all places on a topic they are already familiar with is useful. Do you believe the Reddit myth about wumaos being shot whenever they see the phrase “Tiananmen Square Massacre” is true?
Oh no my kill-switch has been activated! Tell my family in the re-education camps I love them! /cyberpunk brain asplode noises
OOOH. A link to wikipedia. The forbidden knowledge!
It’s so scarey.
But on the other hand, the tanks didn’t even run over that guy (CW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6F2AqzdXuI&pp=ygUhdXMgcG9saWNlIHJ1bm5pbmcgb3ZlciBwcm90ZXN0b3Jz https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-W-7WPWfE4&t=18s https://www.youtube.com/shorts/L-pJTOzyEkI
Technically, Tank man ran over the Tank. Easy to see how people got that turned around.
The CPC has disbanded, hong kong is now a british colony again. All thanks to this post.
I hope you are happy with what you’ve done
Why? We all know that about 300 people, mostly pla soldiers and insurgents, were killed in fighting blocks away from the square, while all the students in the square evacuated peacefully after the pla issued a final ultimatum.
Here, I’ll post an article as well, hopefully nobody “makes themselves scarce” because of it: https://redsails.org/another-view-of-tiananmen/
Doesn’t look like posting that link did anything
You really think none of us have read that article huh?
Can I get a :debate-pervert: from a lemmygrad comrade?
this is one of the dumbest posts of all time. it should be in a museum
reddit moment
Either way, they tend to make themselves scarce when that link is dropped on them.
This is either a bit or a masochist lol, just straight up inviting the dogpile.
Yeah I get like 50 responses to my comments everyday… been reported as a bot multiple times. Given their tactics, my suspicion is the hexbear is a 50 cent army hive, but haven’t confirmed this yet. Could be just kids that spent too much time on TikTok that don’t know how terrible the PRC is. Or a mix of both. But likely just 50 cent army.
But meh, if it’s wasting more of their time than mine, we’re winning.
Sir please keep the good name of Mr. Cent out of your Liberal mouth. .50 Cent got shot 9 times and recovered to be both a great rapper and the protagonist of a really bad X-box shooter. You accomplishments pale in comparison with his career.
‘Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.’
I hope you’re having as much fun as we are!
Are you winning son?
I fucking wish Xi was paying me, marg bar amerika
But likely just 50 cent army.
Sorry, but I’m actually not allowed to get paid for my China posts because of a noncompete clause I signed from when George Soros hired me as a crisis actor. I’m not allowed to be a paid actor in any other conspiracy theories right now, so I’m just defending China pro-bono to keep my posting skills sharp so I can try to get on as a wumao once my contract is up.
Do they make themselves scarce? You haven’t done your research then: https://hexbear.net/post/301934 (technically OP on Lemmygrad but it counters your premise still)
Damn you owned us we’ve never seen that article before you posted it lmao
At least on mobile apps you can block an entire instance, hopefully that’s a feature we’ll see on Lemmy itself one day.
The country that leads the world in mass shootings shouldn’t be labeling other countries as “ticking time bombs.”
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If you think China’s economy is a time bomb wait til you hear about what it means when the dollar is no longer the reserve currency around the world.
Looked up one of the videos shown in that video and saw one of them was actually bold enough to add an update…
Only one answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCV8O_EkM4w
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/watch?v=fCV8O_EkM4w
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By my estimates, China has only 70 more years until complete and utter collapse!
Gordon Chang preparing to put himself into cryosleep.
Man leading country with the largest homeless population in the world says country which eliminated extreme poverty within its borders is about to collapse, of course this is true and should be taken seriously
It feels really remarkable how quickly in the late 2010s that top level people in the US government (as well as the media and society generally) pivoted to using annihilationist rhetoric as though China is some sort of anime arch-enemy they have to power up to defeat. I guess this is probably what the red scare years after 1945 felt like when the US and USSR quickly shifted from allies to rivals
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Nothing has really changed (even in 21st century)
The US needs to be #1 in the world and they’ll do anything to achieve that.
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Who would the US have bombed? Canada? Mexico?
The US didn’t have the logistics to project power globally like they can today. What exactly would you propose they drop a bomb on? Moscow?
People love to criticize famines in China and Russia as being mismanagement by government (and they are), but they’re missing the forest for the trees. Prior to the communist governments, famines were a common occurrence in China and Russia.
The Sichuan famine in 1936 killed 5 million. The famine in 1928 killed 6 million. The Chinese famine in 1906 killed 20 million. The Chinese famine in 1876 killed 10 million.
Yet, since the Great Leap Forward? China has not experienced a single famine. Similarly, the last famine in Russia was in 1947. People sit in their ivory towers where food can be imported from around the world and 40% of food is wasted and wonder why so many people died trying to get something so accessible. Meanwhile, places in Africa are still experiencing mass famine and nobody cares.
I don’t know about China, but Biden is really throwing stones from glass houses here as the leader of a country which is teetering on the edge of civil war, had a full blown insurrection in the past few years, and not only has it failed to prosecute the leader and instigator, it has allowed him to run for election again and there is a possibility of him being elected.
And this is not mentioning that so many in the highest offices “on both sides” are so hilariously corrupt in a country with its national ethos being “the land of the free”.
I’m not happy about this by the way, I don’t think a world order built by China would be better than the shitty one we got from the US.
I believe the correct spelling is “Land of the free^*” ^* terms and conditions may apply
I don’t think a world order built by China would be better than the shitty one we got from the US
I do to be honest.
I’d rather be under the rule of a hegemony that is composed of many different cultures and in the process of healing than one who is still actively genociding their minorities.
EDIT: Welp, I guess there is no war in Ba Sing Se. Ya’ll are expert brigaders, well done.
Ya’ll are expert brigaders, well done.
It’s a frontpage post dumbass 💀 we’re not brigading we’re just commenting on the post that appears on our feeds
Yes, a swarm of tankies from the same instance(hexbear) descending upon the same thread with the same opinions, and spamming images, totally not brigading.
They’re just a bunch of harmless china apologists. Pretend taiwan isn’t a country and they’ll leave you alone
So the DPR and LPR are independent countries, right?
"Yes, but if they invite allied troops into their country it stills counts as an invasion of Ukraine. What do you mean that isn’t independence? "
The only spam-like opinions I’m seeing are all the same stale old forms of apologia for the world-strangling US Empire, and the same old stale racism and homophobia from scratched liberals.
It’s a communist instance with very few other instances federated, what the fuck do you expect? The CPC doesn’t give a shit about either of us, you aren’t involved in some YA dystopia story by posting.
I’d like to live in China too
If we pretend that what the USA does to its own people is acceptable, you still have to consider what it does to the rest of the world. I’m sorry, but in light of all the evidence, I see the US hegemony as evil. I also doubt the western media’s portrayal of the Uyghur “genocide” and I don’t agree that China is in the process of a Holocaust against its own people.
I’m lucky enough to have a job that puts me in contact with a lot of countries all over the global south of the world, and the general opinion from all of them is that China is a lot better prospect than old Western imperialism.
The Chinese propaganda made to counter the satellite images, testimony from victims, and video evidence consists of some YouTubers visiting the same handful of uncomfortably smiling Uyghur families under the careful eye of Chinese censors and fluff pieces that amount to “nuh-uh”.
China is trying to erase the culture of people within their borders, again, and there is a long tradition of this forced assimilation in China. They are not pluralistic, and don’t want to be, and their attitude towards non-chinese within their borders lead me to have very low expectations on how they will treat minorities outside.
How could anyone possibly have any doubts in the face of satellite images and eye-witness testimony?
The Iraqi propaganda was hastily produced to justify a war. The Uyghur situation has been uncovered by journalists slowly over decades.
I thought your links would be to any of the dozens of images, articles, and videos on the Uyghur situation. Why not link a debunking of that instead of trying to assert that because lies exist that the Uyghur ethnocide is also a lie. Your argument is weak because facts won’t support it.
Uncovered over decades? It seems like decades in internet years but the first reports started in 2014, less than 9 years ago.
Since you sound like an expert who has really done your homework here, let’s see some of these stunning pictures you’re talking about and then compare them to photos from America’s prisons. I wonder which will look worse? Doesn’t the USA also lock up far more people per capita than China?
If a grainy satellite photo that could be of literally anything and random testimony is your standard of evidence please stay the fuck away from any position of authority, everywhere.
China has 56 different major ethinicities and 5 different autonomous regions. The only racist here is you, for believing this shit and knowing nothing about the country. The two fastest growing ethnicities in China are Tibetan followed by Uighur.
their attitude towards non-chinese within their borders lead me to have very low expectations on how they will treat minorities outside.
“Chinese” is not an ethnicity you racist dumbass. It is a nationality. They are all Chinese.
Is it just one grainy satellite footage? I was under the impression it was a series of images documenting the construction and expansion of detention centers located suspiciously near the population that has been complaining about being disappeared to detention centers. I also thought there are very clear ground-level pictures, showing thousands Uyghur in blue jumpsuits.
Is the testimony random? I thought it was testimony was mostly from Uyghurs from the affected area, with credible stories that line up with other witnesses and victims that were also questioned.
You will deny this is true because it is crucial for your reality that it is false. Nothing the US is currently doing is a fucked up as what China is doing in terms of racism and ethnic suppression.
You will deny this is true because it is crucial for your reality that it is false.
Many grainy satellite photos vs 1 grainy satellite photo is really not much of a different.
I also thought there are very clear ground-level pictures, showing thousands Uyghur in blue jumpsuits.
No the photo you are referring to is of a prisoner movement between two prisons. You’re being showed photos and people are telling you they’re X when they’re actually Y.
Is the testimony random? I thought it was testimony was mostly from Uyghurs from the affected area, with credible stories that line up with other witnesses and victims that were also questioned.
There’s about 30, and almost always extremely sus circumstances surrounding them. Meanwhile we have literally thousands of videos of tourists readily available, right now, of people visiting the area and having conversations. Who do you believe here? People IN XINJIANG or people outside it?
Look. Let me give you some food for thought on this from another angle. Let’s look at another country where know REAL oppression is taking place, Israel, which has more money and a far smaller country mileage area to spend that money. Israel is an apartheid state actively murdering and oppressing the Palestinians with the intent of stealing their land and eliminating them. https://reddit.com/r/israelexposed is what this looks like.
The evidence against Israel is insurmountable. Mountains of it. Hundreds of thousands of actual video of actual shit. Real evidence.
In a country where literally everyone owns a smartphone it is impossible to prevent the creation of this evidence. Even with more resources and a smaller surface area to stop this shit from getting out - Israel can’t stop it getting out. But you’re trying to say that China can? With fewer resources and a much MUCH larger surface area? They can stop 100% of all evidence from coming out? Just some misrepresented photos that don’t actually depict what people claim they depict? Some critical thinking is needed here. Why is there so much evidence in Israel and absolutely zero evidence in China? Don’t just turn to the idea that they have an all-powerful state that can somehow be in all places at all times magically preventing even a single video from getting out, that idea is a fantasy and comes from the realm of the delusional. Really THINK about this. Be critical.
The reason the evidence does not exist is because what has been claimed is not accurate.
Now, does that mean that China didn’t implement a re-education program? No it doesn’t. Does that mean that this wasn’t quite a heavy handed measure aimed at stopping terrorism? No it doesn’t. It was a really serious undertaking that was certainly a heavy handed use of authority that probably had individual instances of dickwads in that authority acting as dickwads. But, what I am asking you to do is to see through this bullshit genocide crap. It’s nonsense. There is no evidence for it and it’s not what actually happened. They had a serious string of terrorism, and to stop it they implemented a very large re-education program that people had to attend Monday-Friday (they could go home on weekends). That’s what actually happened. No genocide. No mass sterilisation nonsense. No massive repression of religion (other than the extremist one that was committing the terrorism, imported from over the border in Afghanistan).
Imagine being from Canada and bleating about China trying to erase the culture of people. Projecting much?
Less than 10% of Native Americans can speak their native language. How many Uighers and Tibetans can speak theirs?
Have you been to a reservation? I remember one that we drove through in Arizona, the Hualapai. It wasn’t just a desert, but a salt flat, utterly devoid of vegetation. Along the road, you had dilapidated pre-fabs, occupied of course by the victims that had been placed here. Not all reservations are as harrowing. I’ve visited the Navajo Nation, as well as Lakota and Ute reservations. Poverty is intense, and people do the best they can, but the reality is that these people had their lands stolen from them and were forced to the most marginal places in US, unsuitable for much agriculture and barely suitable for ranching.
There is no healing in these places, rather the victims of genocide are constantly blamed for their own poverty by the settler communities stole their land. The native peoples were devastated by covid due to the lack of healthcare resources as well.
Let’s look at the Black American community as well. It was just 3 years ago that the US had its largest protest movement in history against the police killings of unarmed Black men. And what was the response by the government and media? After a moment of groveling, to take back all promises of reform and instead funnel even more money to an increasingly militarized police force, and to engage in a panicked sensationalized crime wave reportage. Police killings continue (1 in 20 homicides are perpetrated by the police), and the economic situation hasn’t improved much for Black Americans since the Great Recession lead to a massive seizure of Black household wealth.
The situation in the US isn’t healing, it’s an oozing pustulate sore. There has been a failure to reinforce voting rights, and anything like reparations, even just targeted relief, is considered a joke and a non-starter in the halls of power. The only healing is in the minds of libs that think that donning Kente cloth and watching Black Panther constitutes absolution.
This of course is to say nothing of the murderous wars waged by the US in Iraq, Laos, Vietnam and elsewhere, and the genocides it co-sponsored in Guatamala and Indonesia. Or the general neo-colonial global financial mechanisms that lock the third world into permanent debt traps and underdevelopment.
Yeah, the US did and is doing fucked up things. But we’re talking scale in the modern era here.
How much longer will the Uyghurs be able to speak their language when china bans Uyghur language books in Uyghur schools? Why does China put up signs at those schools saying that only language permitted on school grounds is Mandarin? Why is china sending hundreds of thousands of Han Chinese to Uyghur home for days at a time to ensure they are speaking Mandarin?
Maybe the US can heal better and faster from its atrocities, but China is actively pursuing atrocities at an official industrial state level.
Have you heard of Adrian Zenz? The dude is a Christofascist CIA operative, and every claim you made there can be traced straight back to his imagination (aside from your nonsensical hypotheticals of course). Liberals hate christofascists—except when they uphold anticommunism. The Uyghurs and Han Chinese have also coexisted for centuries. Even if anything Zenz says is remotely true, none of it compares in the slightest to the genocide, slavery, and destruction perpetrated around the world by the USA in the last ten years alone.
youve got a lot of spunk for somebody who doesnt really know what they are talking about. China has 56 recognized and protected ethnic minority groups where scholars are creating alphabets for minority languages that had not been previously written as a way to preserve their languages. How many indigenous people in the US and Hawaii can even say that they speak their language after having had them systematically destroyed for decades?
??? Xinjiang’s curriculum still has Uyghur as the primary language as of 2023, Uyghur internet celebs aren’t speaking Mandarin on Douyin (ever wonder why TikTok has subtitles as a default? Partially for the hearing impaired, but the app it’s cloned from is Chinese and that is multilingual, hence pushing for subtitles as a default. Cantonese, Hokkien, Haka, Min, Tibetan, Uyghur, etc etc)
The news is broadcast in Uyghur, the road signs are in Uyghur
What Reddit post said Han people were going into homes to enforce Mandarin? Han people ourselves don’t even speak Mandarin exclusively.
Found the tankie. How about neither lol.
Yeah the CCP bots are all over this thread, easily the worst thing about Lemmy.
Staying federated with Hexbear was a really stupid decision, given their clear intended outspoken goal to brigade and harass.
Go live there for a few years and tell us more on your way back.
I’m going there in February for a few months, that’s a start. Looking forward to it.
I’m in Shanghai a few times a year on business and really have to double check that I have multiple VPN options available before leaving. Had a coworker have his phone checked at customs but we always bring dedicated “China-only” cell phones and laptops. They seem to be getting more on top of crushing outside communications but I always get at least one connection working when there. Last time it was an ssh tunnel to an AWS instance that I used to route traffic. Before that it was ExpressVPN which gave me trouble on the last visit. China is playing whack a mile with the VPNs.
Wow it’s almost like the great firewall is trivial to circumvent and countless millions of people do it every day.
Oh my god, just think, you won’t be able to check reddit or read the new york times without your precious VPN! The horror!
It’s not like the new york times outputs anything of value anyway
I’ve got some bad news for you if you think Jews are the problem. The white capitalists wouldn’t even spit on you if you were on fire, so doing their work for them by rooting out their competition is just being a useful idiot
A great way to tell us you’re a chauvinist who doesn’t know anybody who lives in China and never been there.
It could be that. Or it could be the exact opposite (which it is, would you want to see my hukou?), and the fact that you can’t tell the difference while thinking that you could and that it matters makes you an angry little person.
The fact that all you ever do here is shit on China shows what your agenda is buddy. The only angry little person here is the one who can’t say a single nice thing about a country that’s lifting millions of people out of poverty each and every year.
“agenda”, I like how you make it sound like my posts are some kind of greater, organized operation or conspiracy. Projection maybe? Because between the two of us, you are the only one whose post history is consistently made of political activism disguised as news. Not that it automatically makes you a bad person, but you can’t reasonably expect people to take you and your opinion seriously when you have the pretence to simultaneously speak from position of authority on geopolitical topics as broad as China, Russia, West Africa, North America, Central America, Eastern Europe, all at the same time. You should realize that you can’t possibly have such a broad life exposure, or your time would be better invested outside of Lemmy, don’t you think? The only reasonable alternative, and sad reality, is that you are just repeating talking points conveniently arranged for you and repeated inside your echo chamber.
As of me, I am equally entitled to my own opinions, equally partaking to information bubbles, with the difference that my life is actually forever bound to China and that I can legitimately pretend that I have something to contribute to that discussion. Unlike you, I am not brigading from a far-away continent. I don’t “shit on China”. Had you any idea of my situation, you wouldn’t even think of saying something like that. You do may find that some of what I have to say on certain topics is contrary to your ideals, but so is China: it isn’t the monolithic strong fortress people make it to be in the media (in either side of the discourse).
I’m actually pretty open about my political activism. I’m not disguising anything. Having grown up in USSR, and moved around the world a lot, I do think I have a much broader exposure than majority of people. The fact that you presume to know so much about me exposes the sad reality about you projecting what you know of yourself to be true onto others I’m afraid. I also love how you accuse me of doing what you yourself regularly do here, unless you’ll have us believe that you have some deep expertise on the political situation in Africa. Seems to me that you’re trying to speak from position of authority in comments such as this one, while clearly demonstrating utter lack of knowledge on the subject. I don’t know why you felt the need to be “brigading” that far away continent.
Meanwhile, nowhere have I claimed that China is some monolithic strong fortress or that there aren’t legitimate problems in China. My only claims has been that despite the problems China has, it shows a better alternative to what the west is doing. While you seem to be fixating on problems such as unlimited freedom of expression, that affects a tiny majority of the people, I’m looking at the problem of meeting the material needs of the people. China has done a far better job in ensuring that people have things like food, housing, education, and healthcare than the supposedly enlightened western liberal societies.
To sum up, you pretend to have some sort of high ground and sling feces at me, but the only difference is that you support western empire and all its horrors whether you realize it or not.
It 100% would be better. There is nothing in modern Chinese history that remotely approaches the level of imperial devastation the US has wrought on the world. This is not up for debate by any serious person. How many countries has China invaded recently? How many coups have they instigated? Is their “foreign aid” designed to help countries develop, or to extract as much wealth as possible while keeping them impoverished, underdeveloped, and dependent on the west for their most basic needs? Has the standard of living in China been going up or down in recent decades? Now ask yourself the same questions about the US.
What troubles?
Can you describe the troubles?
Are the troubles in the room with us?
he’s probably referring to this https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2023/08/02/china-consumption-or-investment/
tldr chinas quarterly growth has slowed and liberal economists are claiming china’s miracle is over. private sector investment has shrank 0.2% for the first time since data collection in 2005 but investment by state firms has expanded 8.1% in the same period. there’s also a current global manufacturing recession. doesnt mean “its over” or whatever tf they’re saying but interesting to note.
I mean there will be a point when the Chinese middle class stops growing and the government will need to midwife a new economic model. A Communist Party is probably the only political organization currently in the world that can come up with an answer that isn’t slashing the social safety net and giving big handouts to corporations to keep profits up, though.
im not an expert in political economy, but if you read the article he goes into a lot of specific reasons why china is still in a great position in regards to the future, although it will take responsible leadership that pushes back against mainstream neoclassical economics.
Neoliberalism has been a failure for the actual population. It’s decoupled economic growth from improved quality of life. Meanwhile, social democracies in Europe are showing that other models are practical and viable.
They’re straight up gaslighting LMAO. This is an actual, recent headline from the wsj:
Reaching levels of copium not thought possible.
Except official data doesn’t look good? They haven’t gaslit shit, they’ve been reporting slowing growth, decreasing exports, and deflation.
WSJ literally wrote an article “this is what I think China will do and that’s why China bad”
What the fuck kind of journalism is that?
Official data looks good when you compare it with other large economies.
Vibes based economics
Lemmy World version of this post:
https://lemmy.world/post/3021192Holy watered
Hilarious to think there’s a struggle session in here pushing 600 comments and .world users have no idea about it
Happy in the echo chamber
The funny thing is, the bigger these threads get over on Hexbear federated instances, the more users from instances like .ca, .ee, or .ml show up complaining about the Hexbears. That stays small in proportion to the actual discussion in the thread, but eventually becomes large in proportion to the stunted version of the thread that .world sees. So despite being defederated with us, .world threads slowly fill up with spam from users complaining about “Hexbear brigaders” as it leaks in and piles up from discussions and dunkings outside of their federation network.
Living rent free in their heads 24/7
92 comments pathetic
This is what defederating does to you.
lol
I’ll drop this beautiful book here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Coming_Collapse_of_China
Americans have been predicting the collapse of China for 30+ years. It’s just wishful thinking.
CHINA COLLAPSING ANY DAY NOW
From my vantage China looks like it is in a stronger position
What vantage is that?
Seeing in my lifetime how China replaced the US in many segments here. 20 years ago, even our plugs/sockets were US-spec. Now I am talking to you from my home 5G powered by Huawei https://youtube.com/shorts/Bk7slfSLvvY?feature=share
Being a Winnie the Pooh simp?
“Ur simp”
Wow how do we meet this level of sophisticated discourse
As a Saudi I am more of an MBS simp, it is mandated by law. People in the west really do live in a “yellow scare”.
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