Tesla Using 'Full Self-Driving' Hits Deer Without Slowing, Doesn't Stop
jalopnik.com
How's that computer-vision-only approach working out for you, Tesla?

OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right.

How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we’re going to allow Elon to murder every year?

  • Hubi@feddit.orgEnglish
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    6 days ago

    The poster, who pays Tesla CEO Elon Musk for a subscription to the increasingly far-right social media site, claimed that the FSD software “works awesome” and that a deer in the road is an “edge case.” One might argue that edge cases are actually very important parts of any claimed autonomy suite, given how drivers check out when they feel the car is doing the work, but this owner remains “insanely grateful” to Tesla regardless.

    How are these people always such pathetic suckers.

    • nialv7@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 days ago

      Yeah this Tesla owner is dumb. wdym “we just need to train the AI to know what deer butts look like”? Tesla had radar and sonar, it didn’t need to know what a deer’s butt looks like because radar would’ve told it something was there! But they took it away because Musk had the genius idea of only using cameras for whatever reason.

    • teft@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      6 days ago

      I grew up in Maine. Deer in the road isn’t an edge case there. It’s more like a nightly occurrence.

    • bluGill@fedia.io
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      6 days ago

      Deer on the road is an edge case that humans cannot handle well. In general every option other than hitting the deer is overall worse - which is why most insurance companies won’t increase your rates if you hit a deer and file a claim for repairs.

      The only way to not hit/kill hundreds of deer (thousands? I don’t know the number) every year is to reduce rural speed limits to unreasonably slow speeds. Deer jump out of dark places right in front of cars all the time - the only option to avoid it that might work is either drive in the other lanes (which sometimes means into an oncoming car), or into the ditch (you have no clue what might be there - if you are lucky the car just rolls, but there could be large rocks or strong fence posts and the car stops instantly. Note that this all happens fast, you can’t think you only get to react. Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

      • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 days ago

        Deer on the road is an edge case that humans cannot handle well.

        If I’m driving at dawn or dusk, when they’re moving around in low light I’m extra careful when driving. I’m scanning the treeline, the sides of the road, the median etc because I know there’s a decent chance I’ll see them and I can slow down in case they make a run across the road. So far I’ve seen several hundred deer and I haven’t hit any of them.

        Tesla makes absolutely no provision in this regard.

        This whole FSD thing is a massive failure of oversight, no car should be doing self driving without using cameras and radar and Tesla should be forced to refund the suckers customers who paid for this feature.

      • Hubi@feddit.orgEnglish
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        6 days ago

        The problem is not that the deer was hit, a human driver may have done so as well. The actual issue is that the car didn’t do anything to avoid hitting it. It didn’t even register that the deer was there and, what’s even worse, that there was an accident. It just continued on as if nothing happened.

      • dhork@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        6 days ago

        Drivers in rural areas are taught to hit the brakes and maintain their lane.

        Which the Tesla didn’t do. It plowed full speed into the deer, which arguably made the collision much much worse than it could have been. I doubt the thing was programmed to maintain speed into a deer. The more likely alternative is that the FSD couldn’t tell there was a deer there in the first place.

        • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          6 days ago

          Braking dips the hood making it easier for the deer to go into the windshield. You should actually speed up right before hitting to make your hood go up and make it hopefully go under or better stay in the grill.

            • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              6 days ago

              Right before hitting begin the keyword. If you can stop before hitting yes that’s ideal, but in situations where it jumps out and you can’t react. Braking during impact is the worst thing you can do.

              If you think I’m saying to line it up and accelerate for 200meters, I dont know what to say about that,

              • Aatube@kbin.melroy.org
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                6 days ago

                Dude, the article just said to hit the brakes “if you can’t avoid hitting a deer”, the exact scenario you described… Did you even open it?

            • bluGill@fedia.io
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              6 days ago

              I don’t know, where I live giraffes are only in the zoo and thus never on the road. I’m not aware of any escaping the zoo.

              I’m sure if I lived around wild deere, my training would include that, but since I don’t I was able to save some time by not learning that.

                • bluGill@fedia.io
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                  6 days ago

                  I’ve never been in a zoo I’m allowed to drive more thln e wheelchair through. They may require extra training - I would not know

            • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              6 days ago

              Same for a moose? Speed up so you clear it before gravity caves your car roof.

              You maintain speed, you can’t maneuver well if braking, and as stated your hood dips while braking too which can cause worse issues.

              • GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.caEnglish
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                6 days ago

                The whole premise of ABS brakes, which all cars made in North America since 2012 will have, is specifically to allow you to maintain control when you fully apply the brakes. Unless you are a professional driver or have a car without ABS, you should just fully apply the brakes in an emergency stop. Please stop telling people that fully applying the brakes will reduce manueverability when it won’t for the majority of drivers in the developed world.

                And if someone’s vehicle doesn’t have ABS, they should know how to properly brake without locking their tires, and when it won’t be appropriate to use them.

              • Aphelion@lemm.eeEnglish
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                6 days ago

                That’s a good strategy to ensure you die: a mooses torso is already higher than the hood of a lot of SUVs, so you’re taking a moose to the face.

                • 0x0@programming.devEnglish
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                  5 days ago

                  A moving vehicle in real life is a bit more complicated of an equation, factor in the car’s angle towards the horizontal as you accelerate or brake, that’s the original point, but whatever.

              • criitz@reddthat.comEnglish
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                6 days ago

                I don’t think hitting more gas is going to gently slide the 300 pound buck under my car. It’s just going to increase the impact force.

                • 0x0@programming.devEnglish
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                  6 days ago

                  Considering suspension, if you accelerate there’s a lowering of the back of the car/raising of the front.

                  Conversely, breaking has the opposite effect, increasing the chances of the deer rolling over your hood and through your windshield.

                  You’ll want to minimize that, hence the acceleration.