• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Which is why it’s so absolutely fucked up Biden went around Congress for it, especially since Congress would have approved it anyways.

    The fact that Biden is fine doing this in the run up to 2024 and will do shit like this that risks trump winning…

    Shows that Biden is the last fucking person we want running against trump.

    I don’t even think Hillary is stupid enough to do this, and she has the absolute worst instincts regarding elections of any politician in the last 50 years

    • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      Doesn’t matter who the president is, Israel is still going to get US (western) support. The alternative is an unwinnable war between Iran and Israel would kill millions of people. The US president cannot change these facts. Israel is going to get a pass here.

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      10 months ago

      Which is why it’s so absolutely fucked up Biden went around Congress for it, especially since Congress would have approved it anyways.

      Which means now, none of the democrats who would have voted for it will have it on their record the next time an election comes around. Biden himself is fairly safe, but many of the Ds could have lost the next time around from that.

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        10 months ago

        Oh yes, those magical Republicans that will start voting D if we make the democratic party just a little shittier…

        Meanwhile 1/3 of eligible voters don’t vote, and their most common complaint is “both parties do too much fucked up shit for me to support and don’t help normal Americans enough”.

        Yet for some reason, we won’t ever try doing less fucked up shit or helping normal Americans to get their vote…

        Anyone ever notice when moderates want to compromise, it’s always towards the right?

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          Politicians don’t see non-voters as a safe bet. It’s a lot more likely they won’t show up regardless of what the politicians does. From their perspective it is safer to try and sway people who do vote and might be able to be persuaded. Democrats aren’t going to vote for Trump regardless. The easiest path to victory is to convince the 1/3 or so Republicans who don’t like Trump that another 4 years of Biden won’t be so bad. That’s enough to win.

          Edit: not saying I agree with this, just that is the argument.

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            Politicians don’t see non-voters as a safe bet

            If they sat through 2008, 2016, and 2020 and think that, then they have no clue what is going on.

            Which looking at the leadership of both parties, I guess that doesn’t prove you wrong…

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          Anyone ever notice when moderates stupid fucking morons want to compromise, it’s always towards the right?

          FTFY

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        Except they’re going to vote for a Republican regardless. It’s a bullshit argument used to hand waive away a non-Republican’s complicity in furthering the genocide.

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      10 months ago

      Biden is choosing support of Israel over the future of the U.S.

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      Perhaps Biden will step down before the next election, regardless of what he might be saying now. It does the Dems no good to telegraph that move to the GOP. All they need to do is find someone with a shred of karisma and an ounce of capability for debate and rhetoric, who is obviously not Biden, at least superficially.

      Don’t worry, I’m sure there’s a mess of Nvidia H100s training new presidents as we speak!

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          Thanks for contributing to the conversation.

          I don’t really care which neoliberal slimebag your DNC picks, as long as your public doesn’t vote in the criminal orange orangutan again, because that has a big impact on the rest of us, too.

          Biden has some serious baggage at this point. So someone please explain to brain-dead me why the him stepping down at the last feasible moment for someone more electable is so preposterous.

          • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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            You’re reading way too much into early polls and whatever corporatized media is reaching you. Biden beat Trump by a wider popular vote margin than any president in history and can do so again.

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              I’m not reading into any polls, my good fellow. I haven’t seen them and I don’t really care to. I’m happy to pay your electoral process no mind at all, except to occasionally reply to a post with some idle speculation and, apparently, piss off a bunch of people.

              Of course, I haven’t forgetten which country’s election I’m talking about, and passionate folks like yourself jumping down my throat is to be expected.

              Happy New Year!

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      10 months ago

      I’m not voting for joe biden next election.

      Shouldn’t have even voted for him the previous one.