Give me the $100 first (completely and irrevocably non-retractable). After I (in my sole judgement and by my sole timeline) am 100% convinced it’s mine, then I’ll sign.
Isn’t that fucking illegal?
If it were for actual votes, yes. But this is money for signing that a petition a PAC Musk runs has created.
This is showing how desperate they are which maybe they know something about Trump’s chances to avoid prison.
To all those wondering how this is legal: nowhere does it ask people to vote for Trump. The petition asks people to pledge their support for the Constitution, free speech, and the 2nd Amendment. Signing it does not indicate you are voting for Trump. But I could absolutely see the signatures being used for propaganda.
Shit sign me up! If Trump wins I get 100 dollars if he loses I get 100 dollars.
Wait is it really illegal for a billionaire to pay voters $100 from their own pocket for voters to sign a pledge? Even if the pledge was titled “so Trump wins”
Not sure if it is explicitly illegal but there would absolutely be lawsuits with good reason. Imagine a district where 51% of the people sign a pledge to vote for a candidate but the candidate only gets 47% of the vote and losses the election. The candidate with the pledged voters would scream voter fraud and their backers would likely get violent. Considering we had that happen with almost zero voter fraud in 2020, it would not be an unlikely scenario.
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I’m not the one who said doing what is in the article was illegal. I’m the one saying that it is not illegal. Sorry that I have not memorized the entirety of voting law. If you want a legal opinion, go search a fucking law blog. Law is generally not black and white which is why there are legal opinions on every law but if you want the one referenced, it is 52 U.S. Code § 10307 section C:
© False information in registering or voting; penalties
Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both: Provided, however, That this provision shall be applicable only to general, special, or primary elections held solely or in part for the purpose of selecting or electing any candidate for the office of President, Vice President, presidential elector, Member of the United States Senate, Member of the United States House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, Guam, or the Virgin Islands, or Resident Commissioner of the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.
So very likely yes, if Musk was paying people to pledge to vote for Trump, it would be illegal and would be punished by up to five years in prison. Paying people to pledge support for free speech, the 2nd Amendment, and the Constitution would not be.
Happy?
and this is lawful? actually legal? What the hell is USA??
Rome 2.0
It’s legal because they’re paying for registrations not votes, you can’t see who someone voted for just that they voted and if they registered as a party member or independent.
$100 ehh, I guess cards against humanity did get to him :D
can we sign up, take his money, and vote Harris?
if a million people do this it adds up fast
The petition is saying you support free speech, the second amendment, and the Constitution. You can certainly support all of those and vote for Harris.
That might make it easier for him to claim election fraud. He might try to argue about how the election results don’t match with the number of people who took his money.
Good thing it’s not a legal document and doesn’t prove any intent whatsoever.
Such a dumb argument but MAGA would 100% believe it and dash their lives against the US government to make it true.
lol he will never deliver.
the guy who famously never pays his vendors or his rent until he gets evicted is promising to send money?
wow sign me up…No water or other assistance for voters in contested areas.
Here’s $100 to say you like trump.
Man, this is a fucked up place.
No, say you like trump, sign this and that, …
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then maybe, I mean who knows right? Maybe get paid. Donald always pays his debts so why shouldn’t his helper do it too?
Right?
I’m going to slap the next person who tells me racism is over and everyone is treated equal.
How the hell is this even LEGAL? This is the state of our country? Really? Blatant bribing? Corruption? And it’s STILL a close race?
the fucker is basically telling how he is going to cause horrible damage to americas economy yet those people still want to vote him. I wonder if they just want to destroy their country so awful people can remake it into something terrible. If they succeed, soviets will win in the end, as didnt they blatantly gloat at some point how they will destroy america from within? This whole thing has been fueled by russia from the beginning after all.
Racism is over and everyone is treated equal.
Not you, only because you probably would enjoy it.
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pretty fucking close to vote buying if you ask me
I’ll take his money and then not vote for Trump. It’s not like he can tell.
Honestly, I kinda hope he can tell. I’d love for there to be a paper trail of me accepting $100 from Elon and then voting for Harris. Hell, I’d put the money toward renting a highway billboard as close to the Tesla HQ as possible showing the receipts. Fuck him.
Get the money, donate to Harris
He can, though. In another post about Cards Against Humanity’s project, they explained how criminally easy it was to create a PAC, request and acquire voters information. They can see your registered voter information and who you’ve voted for in the past.
Edit: Someone corrected me that they can’t see exactly who people voted for, but, they can see party affiliation, and if you voted. Going by that data, they can assume you voted for the party you’re affiliated with.
Voting records don’t show whom you voted for. They do show party affiliation, which they can infer from.
Sorry, so they can see if you voted and party affiliation, and based on that, they are paying people more or less $, assuming affiliation to a party ment they voted for that party.
So which party are they paying the most? I’m assuming it’s only certain states
CAH are paying more to people who voted republican last election, only if they post on social media why they are voting democrat this time, and their plan to go out and vote.
I can’t find the page from a few weeks ago anymore though, apologize.lol links to a different page of Cards Against Humanity’s campaign where I can’t see the FAQ anymore.
I’d like to see that source. The voter information should be limited to their registered address and what primary or caucus they voted in - not their individual votes, which are anonymized. At most, a PAC should only be able to infer (from the voter information alone) a likelihood of which political party the voter is associated with. Now, if they take that voters info and combine it with open source intelligence, social media, advertising intelligence/marketing data, they can make much better assumptions.
At the locality level, the voter is issued a serialized ballot. The local township, city, whatever keeps a log that “voter x received ballot Y”, but that’s where the association ends. Before being tabulated (read by the optical scanning machine and dropped into a sealed chamber), an election official removes to perforated strip containing the serial number, and the voter deposits the ballot (deserialized) into the tabulator. There is no input to the tabulator to indicate which ballot, or which voter was just processed.
The registration receipts and ballots (without serial numbers) are kept by the locality under seal for a designated retention period.
Source: local election official
I believe they said they bought more useful information from a sleazy data broker too.
For some reason when I upvote posts they dissappear for me even if I search.
The website linked that CAH made was apologize.lol and they had a FAQ section saying how they and Musk are doing this with their PACs and how it should be illegal. Looks like they changed that site too, since I first saw it a few weeks ago, I can’t find that faq section anymore
Cards Against Humanity are paying people more or less depending on how they voted last election, according to the records they collected.
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Highly doubt Musk will pay, also hilarious that the reason is “to protect constitutional rights” when the person who he is endorsing has 0 integrity for that asides for freedom of his own speech…
And only the speech where he lies, or is racist, or sexist.
The term you’re looking for is bribery.
The term is actually “electioneering.” And, he’s getting close to the illegal kind.
Jesus titty-fucking Christ. If someone like George Soros were paying people to vote for Harris, right-wingers would be losing their collective shit and flinging it at the moon.
The double standard is amazing.
They don’t care about truth, or consistency. They care about power. Specifically, the power of their in-group.
Conservatism has been aptly summarized as “There must be in-groups for the law to protect but not bind, and out-groups for the law to bind but not protect.” That’s pretty much the whole thing. Conservatives are, in a kind of fundamental way, bad people. They value the in-group far too much.
I thought I remembered Michael Moore buying ramen and stuff to get students out to vote and he got in trouble for that. https://www.acslaw.org/?post_type=acsblog&p=1035
Turns out it was overturned or ignored, but didn’t stop republicans from whining.
…which, at this point, makes it completely predictable.
The double standard is amazing.
“Yes, but I’m right.”
They think their collective belief in the correctness of their group identity is more important than law. This explains why right-wing politics doesn’t care about consequences.
Well yeah, but this a white guy doing it-- so you know…it just CAN’T be wrong!
Cards Against Humanity is doing this btw.
Clarification: CAH is taking advantage of the bullshit laws that allow Elon to do this
And not pocketing the money
I really liked this line:
But it’s also possible that Musk is simply doing the rich guy thing—and the classic rich tech guy thing—of walking into a new situation and assuming all of his ideas are important.
What a chud.
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You can tell capitalists are getting desperate when they start offering
brides… bribes … to voters during an electionEDIT: beautiful how a simple typo can grab people’s attention so much
Is that an unfortunate typo? Or are they also offering brides alongside monetary bribes?
Trump is about due for a new one.
Nah, he found someone as morally bankrupt as him and they’re as happy as two peas in a pod.
Agree on the first part but they don’t seem happy at all.
Really? Nothing Donnie has done has caused her to leave or loudly object.
She’s an adult - my assumption is that she’s absolutely fine with all the shit he’s doing. She’s had plenty of chances to walk away.
His previous wives were no peaches.
No, he found a foreign handler willing to do what was necessary for a pretty sweet life in the US.
Tell me more about the brides. Asking for a friend.
They are Russian.
That’s ok but are they sturdy?
Go on….
They have Chlamydia.
Do I get my choice of toppings?
Napalm
Correction:
You can tell capitalists are getting desperate when they start offering brides to voters during an erection
*Erection:
You can tell capitalists are getting desperate when they start offering brides to voters during an erectionYes, that’s what I said. Thank you.
